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Google’s Chromebooks Have Hit Their Stride

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Re: Google’s Chromebooks Have Hit Their Stride

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Until four months ago I was running windows 8 on my 5 years old laptop with no problem. I upgraded it with 8.1 just because I wanted to try it and still I hadn't seen the first problem, so in my experience that "windows half-life" isn't more than a myth.

As someone who has used Windows (though not solely Windows) for a long time I'd say the "half-life" (like the much joked about instability and constant crashes) is something that used to be true but hasn't been true for quite a long time now. Despite the terrible reputation it has, Vista is where Microsoft really started turning it around in a big way when it comes to stability, security, etc. (XP/Windows 2000 was ob…

It is sadly true. There is cruft accumulating on the OS. Of course with Sandboxie and the likes it is becoming easier to keep your windows install in mint fresh condition.

The problem with Windows is usually third party crapware that people always install. Or comes preinstalled by the vendor. If you keep that in check you could last a long time before doing a re install. But most non tech savy users ... have trouble with that. Malware is getting more and more sophisticated in its ability to trick person to install it.

Re: Google’s Chromebooks Have Hit Their Stride

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As long as you're fine abandoning the past a Chromebook is a good idea. However the concept of online documents to a normal person used to desktop software can be tricky, "how do I save?", "how do I attach this document to an email?". Then there's concepts like authorising a web app to use your Google Drive to save files in, and exporting PDFs to give to people. And things like mpeg2 files don't play, so your own vid…

Chroombooks support thumb drives / memory sticks. So people can stick to their old habit of drag&dropping files from their thumb stick to an email to add an attachment.

Wait wait wait.

You're telling me that, to attach a file to an email, I attach a thumb drive to the computer? That's kinda awesome.

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My girlfriend and I won a Google sponsored hackathon this year that got us flights and tix to I/O and we both got the Pixel there. She then decided to make an experiment and sold her Macbook, to proceed using only the Pixel and an iPad. She wrote her entire dissertation with it and loves it. The three things she misses are Illustrator, Photoshop and Lightroom. I doubt she would have done the same thing with a lesser…

How is the Pixel better than a Mac running Chrome? The touchscreen?

Touchscreen and the touchpad on the Pixel are simply state of the art - so much better than on my Asus Zenbook, much more precise and simply a joy to use. The speed-up time is very good, too, of course. It has to be said that her Mac was quite old and she was intending to replace it soon, anyway.

Re: Google’s Chromebooks Have Hit Their Stride

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As long as you're fine abandoning the past a Chromebook is a good idea. However the concept of online documents to a normal person used to desktop software can be tricky, "how do I save?", "how do I attach this document to an email?". Then there's concepts like authorising a web app to use your Google Drive to save files in, and exporting PDFs to give to people. And things like mpeg2 files don't play, so your own vid…

There is a File/Save and File/Open dialog much like people will be used to. You can use that to save and attach files.

Re: Google’s Chromebooks Have Hit Their Stride

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I was in Starbucks the other day and a couple of late-middle age Librarians were sat at an adjacent table (I couldn't tell if they were from the local library, or the local university), both with the 11 inch Samsung Chromebook (2012). These were clearly issued by their employer (and quite recently by the sounds of it), although one had been decked out with a bright pink rubberised skin.

After a few minutes of negotiation they were both connected to the free wi-fi and proceeded with a meeting where they collaboratively edited a set of Google Docs and Spreadsheets, whilst sat on opposite sides of same the table (the docs were the focus of their meeting).

There are many use-cases for Chromebooks (I also have the same Samsung which I use for testing), but one is certainly employers managing large portfolios of standardised desktops used by 'information workers', and which are primarily used for editing spreadsheets and text documents, and surfing the web & using web apps (one might argue that these are largely indistinguishable from students, which is a another sector that Google has targeted).

It may have been that they would have been using Google Drive on their old (presumably) Windows machines, but I suspect that what was likely an economic decision for their employer (the Samsungs are £200 in the UK when bought through Amazon, likely much cheaper when bought in bulk), is also driving uptake of Drive (and web apps in general).

What was interesting from my point of view - as a developer - was that here were two reasonably tech-savvy 'civilians' using what is a relatively limited (by design) technology, and doing so in a very natural and fluid way. There was no mention of either the hardware or the OS and its limitations, they just went about their business without any hiccups or stumbles over the tools they were using.

People who question the Chromebook programme - they're just a browser, you can already do the same on any desktop, etc - are all making very valid points. But in many situations the question isn't what magical things can we make this device do, but rather what is the least (both in terms of cost, but also the scope of things that can go wrong) we can provide and still have our people function effectively. Google appear to be taking a bottom up approach to answering this question: slowly adding functionality to ChromeOS until it meets the majority of use cases the majority of the time. The grey area between Chrome the OS and Chrome the Browser is by design: If you find that you are increasingly living in Chrome on the desktop, maybe your next machine will be a Chromebook.

Re: Google’s Chromebooks Have Hit Their Stride

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So basically Chrome OS is like Microsoft windows only with less features, less control, less software, hardware dependent and developed by an advertising company? Doesn't Chrome OS resemble an IPad challenger rather than a Windows/MacBook substitute?

It's like Windows except it's gratis, more secure, more control (check out crouton [1]), and hardware that runs chromeOS is by definition linux friendly, which encourages more hardware support [2]. On top of that, almost all of it is open source. [1] https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton [2] https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2205401/ (for example)

"It's like Windows except it's gratis, more secure, more control..."

It's not really like Windows though is it? I could argue ChromeOS has far less privacy and is less capable. Sure, ChromeOS presents a simplified and streamlined experience that fits with what many people want in a computer: surf the web, check email, write simple documents. But there is nothing in ChromeOS that you can't do in Windows or Ubuntu or MacOSX. Importantly, in those OSes, I can run desktop apps without worrying about usage data being recorded and tracked (if usage data is recorded, it's opt-in and usually described as "anonymous" data collection).

I wonder how many people here would be happy if every action they performed or every app they launched on their computer was recorded by Apple or Microsoft? Yet, this is exactly what ChromeOS potentially does. In ChromeOS, running Google apps is only possible by signing into your Google account. So very quickly, Google builds an incredibly detailed picture of your computer usage: from the sites you browse, to the apps you use, to even the docs you print. They are not capturing this data anonymously either. Knowing clearly what Google tracks and records is a perfectly reasonable expectation. I'm amazed how easily Google have escaped any scrutiny on this matter.

There's barely any mention in this thread (and none in the TechCrunch article) of the privacy implications of using ChromeOS. I guess for many in the tech press and the tech community it's a complete non-issue. As someone who cares about privacy, I find that pretty depressing.

Re: Google’s Chromebooks Have Hit Their Stride

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It's like Windows except it's gratis, more secure, more control (check out crouton [1]), and hardware that runs chromeOS is by definition linux friendly, which encourages more hardware support [2]. On top of that, almost all of it is open source. [1] https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton [2] https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/2205401/ (for example)

"It's like Windows except it's gratis, more secure, more control..." It's not really like Windows though is it? I could argue ChromeOS has far less privacy and is less capable. Sure, ChromeOS presents a simplified and streamlined experience that fits with what many people want in a computer: surf the web, check email, write simple documents. But there is nothing in ChromeOS that you can't do in Windows or Ubuntu or M…

If by less privacy you mean: Google has access to a bit more information to make even more money by serving slightly more relevant ads, well, yes the observable truth is that people do not share your concerns.

Very large numbers of people already use Google find stuff they want to know and to manage their intimate e-mail communications. People have had a decade's experience gauging how Google acts when it has this information. They continue to use these services. Today, 81% of people who are buying smartphones in the world are choosing Android.

The most straightforward explanation of these facts would seem to be your concerns about Google knowing things are simply not shared. Not by the tech community, not by the tech press, and not by the overwhelming majority of people.

It doesn't seem likely that Google potentially knowing that one is using a Chromebook to play Angry Birds or watch Netflix will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Re: Google’s Chromebooks Have Hit Their Stride

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I've had the exact opposite experience. I develop on a MacBook Pro Retina, but I know little about the whole Apple ecosystem (ex Windows power user/dell tech). I purchased an Ipad mini for my mother and found it incredibly unintuitive and difficult to use. For one, she is unable to click 70% of the time even after using the device for several months. I thought it was user error, but even I have a hard time with it. F…

having just purchased my first ipad (mini retina) I am amazed that we had 99% similar troubles with it. Did you already find out about swipe (left-right) to delete item in the list? Horrendous. And having to enter creditcard info before installing free apps? arrgh. And password for free app installation...

To make matters worse, I forced my girlfriend recently to start using LastPass. After being forced to enter in a LastPass generated 20+ character password for the 3rd time in 5 minutes just to install a free app, I was worried she would either throw the iPad in frustration or yell at me for making her use LastPass! :)

Re: Google’s Chromebooks Have Hit Their Stride

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has used Windows (though not solely Windows) for a long time I'd say the "half-life" (like the much joked about instability and constant crashes) is something that used to be true but hasn't been true for quite a long time now. Despite the terrible reputation it has, Vista is where Microsoft really started turning it around in a big way when it comes to stability, security, etc. (XP/Windows 2000 was ob…

It is sadly true. There is cruft accumulating on the OS. Of course with Sandboxie and the likes it is becoming easier to keep your windows install in mint fresh condition. The problem with Windows is usually third party crapware that people always install. Or comes preinstalled by the vendor. If you keep that in check you could last a long time before doing a re install. But most non tech savy users ... have trouble…

I'm curious if this is still true if you only install Metro applications. Any idea?

Re: Google’s Chromebooks Have Hit Their Stride

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is sadly true. There is cruft accumulating on the OS. Of course with Sandboxie and the likes it is becoming easier to keep your windows install in mint fresh condition. The problem with Windows is usually third party crapware that people always install. Or comes preinstalled by the vendor. If you keep that in check you could last a long time before doing a re install. But most non tech savy users ... have trouble…

I'm curious if this is still true if you only install Metro applications. Any idea?

In that case the PC can be used only as a paperweight. And they are pretty eternal.
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