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How long can you survive on bootstrapping?

#1
Hi everyone. I'm looking for some advice from fellow startup founders/alums about taking the leap from releasing your prototype into the wild to scaling your userbase and product. I'm a single founder of a Boston-based mobile app startup – the product is released, we continue to iterate and build further enhancements, our userbase is excited and giving constructive feedback, etc. We've reached the point where we are receiving interest from companies to buy the app or discuss licensing deals, but interest from local angels is basically non-existent at this point. I quote from one VC: "idea is a feature, not a company".

Here's the problem: I'm completely broke. For this startup, I chose the bootstrapping route. I plunged most of my savings and used credit cards to work with an offshore team and received investment from friends and family to make it past the prototype stage. My development team is willing to take an equity stake to improve the product, but server costs are expensive. Our userbase increased 20x when I dropped the app to free 1 week ago. I cannot afford to pump in $30-40 a day to pay for server costs.

The acquisition talks are positive (it would be a very small exit), but I'd really like to work on building out a company here. Is there any option other than an angel round to make it to the next stage? Would licensing the app to other companies be a detriment in future financing rounds, if we ever make it to that point?

Re: How long can you survive on bootstrapping?

#2
It looks like you need a business angel NOT a VC, they are two completely different things (and from your description above it doesn't look like the distinction is clear).

Find someone that is already fairly wealthy from being in business for themselves and pitch your idea to them, make it a partnership and not an outright investment, that would help to get some interest going.

How much money are you looking for ?

30/40 per day for server costs seems to be outrageously high for any mobile startup, why is it that expensive ?

Re: How long can you survive on bootstrapping?

#3
Actually, you should have named this 'how long can I survive on bootstrapping'. It seems as though your answer is 'not much longer' at your current trajectory.

So you need to change something.

It sounds like you couldn't afford to release a free version, with all the costs involved. So don't. Stop releasing the free version. Think of a price you would be comfortable charging for it.

Now double that price. Chances are you undervalued what people might be willing to pay for your application. You have a growing user base, but most unfortunately if it grows too much you'll just be out of business that much sooner.

Sure, it wouldn't hurt to keep talking about acquisition. The beauty of that is in most cases these talks take forever, so you have plenty of time, and can always back out or tell them you'd like a few more months. The downside to this is they might just wait until you run out of money, and then whatever small amount they were offering you will become surprisingly smaller. When they have a meeting about whether to acquire your product or not one of their strategies is going to be 'let's wait and see what happens in the next couple months'. It's only to their advantage.

And at least give us the link so we can let you know if we would pay for it! Your company is failing, this is not the time to be discreet.

Re: How long can you survive on bootstrapping?

#4
I don't understand how your company works. Your product is free. You've maximally leveraged yourself personally. You have no recourse in negotiations. Your BATNA may be bankruptcy. Your question is, "how long can you survive on bootstrapping". But you haven't booted yet.

Figure out something your team can do that will make money. Then think about the long term.

If you can strike a licensing deal with your technology, you should do it. You can't hurt your valuation any more by creating cash flow than you can by driving your company to the brink.

You can talk to companies that have expressed interest, and set up a contracting arrangement to build things for them. There are tons of mobile dev consultancies. Do that for awhile.

Re: How long can you survive on bootstrapping?

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It looks like you need a business angel NOT a VC, they are two completely different things (and from your description above it doesn't look like the distinction is clear). Find someone that is already fairly wealthy from being in business for themselves and pitch your idea to them, make it a partnership and not an outright investment, that would help to get some interest going. How much money are you looking for ? 30…

Thanks for your reply, Jacques. This was helpful.

We released on GAE and we're also using Amazon SQS. At our peak load, we were getting over 1.5-2k users streaming in during the initial price drop. CPU Time was our biggest drain: we've combined instant messaging with a local and global search option which eats up resources fairly quickly. I was very surprised at GAE server costs given a userbase that is The VC approach was for seed-stage capital (~100k) - I found a few "programs"/funds targeting early stage companies. Basically, I'm looking for a business angel that could assume a mentorship role and provide some "smart capital" at this point to scale.

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It looks like you need a business angel NOT a VC, they are two completely different things (and from your description above it doesn't look like the distinction is clear). Find someone that is already fairly wealthy from being in business for themselves and pitch your idea to them, make it a partnership and not an outright investment, that would help to get some interest going. How much money are you looking for ? 30…

Thanks for your reply, Jacques. This was helpful. We released on GAE and we're also using Amazon SQS. At our peak load, we were getting over 1.5-2k users streaming in during the initial price drop. CPU Time was our biggest drain: we've combined instant messaging with a local and global search option which eats up resources fairly quickly. I was very surprised at GAE server costs given a userbase that is The VC approa…

How hard would it be to port away from GAE and get your costs under control ? The 'cloud' is a great place to be when you want to scale but it can also be quite expensive.

So far for the projects that I'm involved in I have yet to find a single case where I can make a case for a cloud solution vs hosting the stuff directly. (but there are other reasons than financial ones to use a cloud).

Where are you located ?

Re: How long can you survive on bootstrapping?

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Actually, you should have named this 'how long can I survive on bootstrapping'. It seems as though your answer is 'not much longer' at your current trajectory. So you need to change something. It sounds like you couldn't afford to release a free version, with all the costs involved. So don't. Stop releasing the free version. Think of a price you would be comfortable charging for it. Now double that price. Chances are…

Thanks for your well thought out comments, cmos. And I apologize for not including the link in the original posting!

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftwa...

Re: How long can you survive on bootstrapping?

#8
I would strongly consider the licensing or acquisition. Couple reasons for this:

1. Compelling products tend to have willing buyers. If you saw a 20x increase in your user base when it became free, it sounds like people really like the product, but don't see it as a must-have (it's not addressing a serious pain for them). On the flip side, it looks like it could be a great nice-to-have for an existing device/product.

2. You'll be much better-positioned for future endeavors if you're able to realize a positive exit. Past success can give you a lot of credibility. If you can get positive returns, it'll be much easier to raise money for your next venture.

Re: How long can you survive on bootstrapping?

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post #3

Actually, you should have named this 'how long can I survive on bootstrapping'. It seems as though your answer is 'not much longer' at your current trajectory. So you need to change something. It sounds like you couldn't afford to release a free version, with all the costs involved. So don't. Stop releasing the free version. Think of a price you would be comfortable charging for it. Now double that price. Chances are…

+1 to dropping the free version.

It sounds like going the free route was a mistake. Bootstrapped startups have to charge something to somebody, and you-pay-me-for-my-product is a time tested way of doing it.

As for the rest, you need to tamp down your costs. $30/day is extremely high for a bootstrapped, no-revenue startup. Find a way to cut this down. Based on your comments about GAE and SQS, see about moving to a standalone VPS (Slicehost or whatever) and running your own ActiveMQ server, probably on the same machine. It's hard for me to imagine a web app w/ less than 10k users needing more than a single big VPS.

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post #3

Actually, you should have named this 'how long can I survive on bootstrapping'. It seems as though your answer is 'not much longer' at your current trajectory. So you need to change something. It sounds like you couldn't afford to release a free version, with all the costs involved. So don't. Stop releasing the free version. Think of a price you would be comfortable charging for it. Now double that price. Chances are…

Thanks for your well thought out comments, cmos. And I apologize for not including the link in the original posting! http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftwa...

Can somebody who can actually click on iTunes links where they are tell me what this thing is?

If you've built a successful iPhone application, you're a marketable contracting operation. Stop talking about getting funding.

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