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What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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Re: What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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"I learned that you should go straight to the person you're upset with rather than go to authorities." This is bullshit and dumb advice. If someone steals my bike and I find out who it is, I'm not going to go to his apartment and beat him to death in the middle of the day (smart money on confronting a scumbag not leading to a productive conversation). Fuck that. The reason we have "authorities" is because we have peo…

I agree 100% with you. The best response is always to call the authorities. I really don't see the benefit of going toe to toe with a criminal.

Also, I'm shocked by the responses you are getting telling you that you are wrong. Do people really want to confront a criminal. I grew up in a ghetto in Brooklyn, NY, I'm Hispanic, and my family always calls the police.

Getting into an argument directly with someone has too many times ended with somebody in the hospital or the cementery.

Re: What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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A comment response by the top poster [1] deserves a full read as well, for observations of behavior, motivations, and recidivism by others in the system. On the latter note, there is also this sobering paragraph:

...Here in Colorado we have what is called "mandatory parole" - which is probably not what you think it is. It does not mean that it is mandatory to release you early, it means that even if you are released after serving your entire sentence, you will be considered "on parole" and will have a parole officer assigned and live under the threat of being sent back to prison (even if you already served your entire sentence). Hence, you could do almost 15 years on a 10 year sentence because if you are released after doing the 10, you will still have to do 5 years of "parole" and could be sent back if you violate any of the terms of parole. In fact, nearly 40% of the intake into Colorado prisons is from "technical" parole violations, which are violations of parole conditions that are not felony crimes. This system has created a terrible sense of hopelessness among those caught up in it. My assessment (admittedly based on anecdotal data) is that Colorado parole officers think it is their duty to try and find reasons to violate a parolee and get them sent back to prison. They seem to go out of their way to make success difficult for a parolee, rather than just expect compliance with the law.

[1] http://www.quora.com/Prisons-and-Prison-Life/What-is-it-like...

Re: What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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In your opinion, why do you believe that reporting crimes is a "white/middle class privilege" decision?

There are portions of society that believe, sometimes with good cause, that bringing police into an interaction will result in a negative outcome for all involved, not just for the perpetrators. That said, please stop perpetuating a strawman argument. You've taken the most extreme interpretation of the original statement, propped it up and vilified it. Considering all the possible ways you could have interpreted the…

I'm not perpetuating a strawman. The reason why there's a secondary justice system (normally in which the aggressors are the victors) is because people allow it to exist.

Re: What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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Cute, but when you're confronting someone, the situation can always turn violent. Let's say that you confront someone and end up punching him/her in the mouth and get a cut on your hand. You could get a serious infection or a disease, even though you "won."

Kidding aside, I would be extremely unlikely to resort to a violent act in the case of a stolen wallet. If a_hole won't give it back, it's really not that big of a deal. Reprint photos of wife and kids, Visit ATM, Cancel some credit cards, register a hold with a credit bureau, and move on with your life.

It's not just about the wallet, it's about respect and the lizard brain telling you that if you don't get it back, you're allowing said a_hole to win.

I would be extremely likely to resort to violence if I felt that the official channels would not help. I guess I'm a caveman in that way.

Re: What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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A comment response by the top poster [1] deserves a full read as well, for observations of behavior, motivations, and recidivism by others in the system. On the latter note, there is also this sobering paragraph: ...Here in Colorado we have what is called "mandatory parole" - which is probably not what you think it is. It does not mean that it is mandatory to release you early, it means that even if you are released…

Then why not better train, screen, and pay the parole officers? These people seem to be a key part of the system which would be overseeing people who have a high chance to commit a crime. The parole officers should definitely try to fairly assess the parolee's life circumstances and try to best assist them in finding a job and crime-free life in normal society.

I've heard stories of parole officers being hard on parolees but the parolees were also thankful because it forced them to turn their lives around.

40% seems very high but the people who sentence and lock-up parolees who violate their parole are likely much better equipped and trained to judge the parolees.

Just my 2 cents.

Re: What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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Living in a society is about being able to reason with others. Instead of trying to skirt issues and involve authorities in hopes to solve problems, it usually is better to confront the person themselves. Your example went straight to an extreme. It doesn't have to be theft, or murder, or an assault that makes you "upset" at them. Maybe you feel wronged because they said something in public that you wanted private. A…

>Maybe you feel wronged because they said something in public that you wanted private. You cannot go to authorities with "he called me a butt." The issues here are a subclass of "crimes and wrongs that authorities would address." My example is not going to an extreme. Have you ever confronted a criminal? How did it go? Do you see where it could have gone worse?

>You cannot go to authorities with "he called me a butt."

Depends on the country. You very much can in mine, for "public insult".

Re: What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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I am a developer/hacker who spent 6 months in prison about a decade ago.

They had a room of old broken computers that were donated and I offered to fix them up in exchange for increased library privileges. Normally inmates could only visit the library once a week and check out two books, but I read about 4 books a day during my time there.

I fixed up the computers and supported them once they got a teacher, read my books, helped people with grammar in their appeal letters, and stayed out of trouble.

The only stress I felt was from being thrown into an environment with totally alien social structures and ways of interaction. I was a upper-middle-class white kid who had learned to talk logically out of situations, and most of my peers in prison were people who grew up in settings where the only way to solve disagreements was with intimidation or actual violence.

Once I learned that I should give a little to intimidation so the other party feels in control and powerful, but refuse to be totally controlled because the other party wouldn't risk their early release dates to beat up someone for no good reason, then I did well. It also helped to be able to pay off the local gang leader once a week with a pint of ice cream from the commissary. Protection was relatively inexpensive, all things considered.

The library was outdated, but there were enough books on physics for me to refresh my understanding and my friends and family ordered books for delivery for me on a regular basis. I discovered a life-long love of Mark Twain, especially the book he wrote about Joan of Arc.

6 Months seemed to crawl by and was full of home-sickness. Then, all of a sudden, it was over. After that, the world seemed a lot more magical for a few months. Everything was brighter and more colorful than I remembered. There was such joy in being able to listen to a CD or eat chinese food.

All in all, it wasn't a terrible experience. It was very interesting sociologically and a good experience for me to see how a different ecosystem worked. I also got to eat a balanced diet and exercised. I was in marvelous shape back then. I wouldn't recommend it or anything, but if you go with the right mentality, you can make the most of it.

The obvious downside is that prison sticks to you for the rest of your life. It takes several months to stop walking without your hands behind your back or saying "Sir" all the time. Also, the stigma of having a criminal record sticks to you forever. Even now, in my middle 30's, it's nearly impossible for me to get a tech job even though my felonious history was from when I was a teenager. You pretty much have to resign yourself to the fact that you'll work at 50% of the salary as your peers or have to make your own future by starting your own companies and projects.

Re: What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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Sure, this advice might be helpful in the context of "you're in prison, the person that slighted you is also in prison," but outside of that, it's advice that only serves to aid the aggressor. Also, why are you suggesting that my position is "middle class privilege" when you're suggesting that you understand ad-hoc prison justice systems?

> Sure, this advice might be helpful in the context of "you're in prison, the person that slighted you is also in prison," but outside of that, it's advice that only serves to aid the aggressor. I've actually found "deal directly with the person with whom you have the issue" is a good default rule in most areas of life (work, social, etc.) even where the issue is the kind of thing for which there is an available auth…

A thousand times this. When did it become wrong to bring up issues with the persons involved? This is one of the things I have noticed as a growing personality traits largely in the younger generation, where all conflict is avoided through passing all responsibility up to whichever higher authority is around. So we have given the authorities the power to create systems like this and still haven't realized that sometimes, when that person who you have an issue with, is prone to violence, lies, and numerous other skullduggeries, you have to walk into that confrontation either armed yourself or with some visible external backing. I would venture to say our police state national security apparatus is quickly falling under this category.

Re: What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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post #55

A comment response by the top poster [1] deserves a full read as well, for observations of behavior, motivations, and recidivism by others in the system. On the latter note, there is also this sobering paragraph: ...Here in Colorado we have what is called "mandatory parole" - which is probably not what you think it is. It does not mean that it is mandatory to release you early, it means that even if you are released…

Then why not better train, screen, and pay the parole officers? These people seem to be a key part of the system which would be overseeing people who have a high chance to commit a crime. The parole officers should definitely try to fairly assess the parolee's life circumstances and try to best assist them in finding a job and crime-free life in normal society. I've heard stories of parole officers being hard on paro…

  Then why not better train, screen, and pay the parole officers?
Think about the candidate pool. Who would be willing to go and take that kind of job? I would expect a certain bias towards what the parent posting has described. Independent observation and openness, in my opinion, would be much more effective.

Re: What is it like to be a geek in a prison?

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Hmm. He makes no mention of what crime he was convicted of, and expresses no remorse, either. Although he does seem to be feeling regret (which I think is an appropriate function of prison), he sees himself as being a victim -- no other victim is referred to. It seems he's proud of his murdering, home-invading comrades.

This is certainly a testament to the failure of prisons (at least in his case). The education he needs is not in Agile, but in how to be a decent human being. He has learned nothing in that category.

What a horrible guy.

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