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Re: Sourcing.io

#31

Post by richardburton »

msy wrote: post #30

That they launched with a price tag and functionality for recruiters but nothing to even let developers see the profiles they've assembled, without consent, by scraping public data tells you all you need to know about their respect for engineers.

(I work at Sourcing.io.)

This is a very valid criticism--we need to do a much better job of explaining the service to engineers. Like most startups, we've got a list of things we'd love to build but haven't had time to. With that said, the tools for engineers could certainly have been prioritized. At the very least, we should have added a simple way to opt out. We will be adding this soon.

Re: Sourcing.io

#32

Post by maccman »

Hi, I'm the co-founder of Sourcing.io, and the engineer who built it. Stoked that we're on HN, and get the chance to respond to the engineering and hacker community.

Our introduction blog post says a bit more about our mission.

http://blog.sourcing.io/hello-world

Believe it or not, I hate 'spam' recruiting emails as much as the next engineer. This is how I feel about them:

http://blog.alexmaccaw.com/recruiting-emails

We're not here to increase the spam problem - quite the opposite. We've put a number of safe guards in place against this kind of abuse:

* We don't allow big recruitment agencies known for spamming on the system.

* Our system is geared around referral based recruiting - finding people already connected to your company. For example, promoting candidates who follow one of your engineers on Twitter. This is the type of recruiting we live for and want to promote.

That said, there are definitely some things we should (and will) do.

* Allow developers to see, edit and update their own profiles

* An instant opt-out button

Let me know if there's anything else I can answer.

Re: Sourcing.io

#33

Post by riquito »

While I may like the project, I really hope that in many countries is illegal to earn from profiles of oblivious people who never choose to be part of an "offer"

Re: Sourcing.io

#34

Post by ameralimanovic »

maccman wrote: post #32

Hi, I'm the co-founder of Sourcing.io, and the engineer who built it. Stoked that we're on HN, and get the chance to respond to the engineering and hacker community. Our introduction blog post says a bit more about our mission. http://blog.sourcing.io/hello-world Believe it or not, I hate 'spam' recruiting emails as much as the next engineer. This is how I feel about them: http://blog.alexmaccaw.com/recruiting-emails…

I appreciate this idea leveraging data from Twitter and GitHub and truly believe that's the better way to find professional engineers which are associated with your community somehow. What about intelligent algorithms to evaluate and to display engineer skills (points or school grades)?

Re: Sourcing.io

#35

Post by mtrimpe »

richardburton wrote: post #15
coolsunglasses wrote: post #2

Engineers are valuable for what they can learn (skills and about the problems they are solving) not for what they know at a particular point in time. A myopic way to look at hiring. Edit: You should care about the delta of an engineer's career and knowledge. That says a lot more about how they'll perform now and in the future. These days companies prove themselves to engineers. I'd rather see something like a more de…

(I'm working with Alex on Sourcing.io.) Hi Chris--I completely agree that an engineer's ability to learn is a huge part of their value. With that said, many companies are searching for engineers who are intimately familiar with particular languages or frameworks. Anyone can get comfortable with a new framework over a weekend--it takes much longer to be become an expert. Your idea for a better Glassdoor is an interest…

I don't know if it's universal (Dutch freelance IT); but I would loooove to have a tool that would:

* broadcast my availability to a group of approved (company) recruiters

* let recruiters propose companies to me (and have me list companies I already have contacts at or was introduced at.)

* let me set up job interviews with the interesting opportunities

* and, most importantly, let the recruiters/companies place bids on me negotiate.

I've found that every time I'm on the market I'm essentially running this auction myself and it's a lot of work.

Given the massive impact it has on my earnings I'd love some tooling that would let me focus on the important parts of this process rather than the administrative minutiae.

Re: Sourcing.io

#36

Post by maccman »

ameralimanovic wrote: post #34
maccman wrote: post #32

Hi, I'm the co-founder of Sourcing.io, and the engineer who built it. Stoked that we're on HN, and get the chance to respond to the engineering and hacker community. Our introduction blog post says a bit more about our mission. http://blog.sourcing.io/hello-world Believe it or not, I hate 'spam' recruiting emails as much as the next engineer. This is how I feel about them: http://blog.alexmaccaw.com/recruiting-emails…

I appreciate this idea leveraging data from Twitter and GitHub and truly believe that's the better way to find professional engineers which are associated with your community somehow. What about intelligent algorithms to evaluate and to display engineer skills (points or school grades)?

We actually originally started generating a 'score' for engineers, and it's still part of our API. However, we dropped it from the interface since it was confusing a lot of people, and the score tended to reflect how popular an engineer was, rather than how good they were. As you can imagine, figuring out the latter is a very complex problem. For now, we've removed it.

Re: Sourcing.io

#37

Post by [deleted] »

richardburton wrote: post #31
msy wrote: post #30

That they launched with a price tag and functionality for recruiters but nothing to even let developers see the profiles they've assembled, without consent, by scraping public data tells you all you need to know about their respect for engineers.

(I work at Sourcing.io.) This is a very valid criticism--we need to do a much better job of explaining the service to engineers. Like most startups, we've got a list of things we'd love to build but haven't had time to. With that said, the tools for engineers could certainly have been prioritized. At the very least, we should have added a simple way to opt out. We will be adding this soon.

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Re: Sourcing.io

#38

Post by mpermar »

First of all, best of luck with this guys.

This approach has been already tried many different times. I've got some friends that really pushed really high on that whole "recruiting via web scrapping" thing - https://masterbranch.com/ ( feel free to contact them, they are really nice guys ).

I wish you luck because I understand this approach never really worked for anyone. IMHO, it's simple [Disclaimer: I created a super fancy ATS software / job board too and did all the sales up to a point of really hating HR people :)], recruiters are truly lazy and are interested only on tools that do their job - something understandable as the sourcing part of the job is really weary. Web scrapping tools instead of doing their job just add more noise to it, i.e. forward them tons of profiles that are not really interested in the specific job posting they are marketing. You might think most developers are always open to move because some of us might be, but many people are really happy with their daily jobs, so this sort of tool always ends up making angry both sides of the coin: the developer and the recruiter.

So, it does not really matter that your "database" has 4M people on it. Even if those are somehow linked to the company recruiting. When as a recruiter I search for "node.js programmer" and get 100 results back but 99 of them are not interesting in changing jobs, well... that sucks. I wouldn't use the tool again myself. And going further with this example, well, believe me, most recruiters would think the tool sucks if just the first three profiles are not interested in the job.

But hey, I insist, I wish you the best of luck. Just pointing some stuff I learnt ( hopefully for you wrongly learnt ) during my HR entrepreneurship stage.

Re: Sourcing.io

#39

Post by nawitus »

richardburton wrote: post #19
rhgraysonii wrote: post #5

So how does one know if they are in your database?

(I work on Sourcing.io.) Right now we don't have a simple way for engineers to see what their profile looks like--we'll be adding this soon. In the meantime, please feel free to email on richard@sourcing.io so I can show you what your profile looks like. If you'd like to be permanently removed from our index I can do that right away.

Hmm, so there might a profile created for me without my permission? This is wrong in my opinion, and illegal too in Finland.
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