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Is Ruby Dying?

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Re: Is Ruby Dying?

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Post by sim0n »

bmj wrote: post #67
sim0n wrote: post #39

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I personally haven't seen any new code being written in Perl during either my time in England or in the Bay Area. I don't really see a reason to use Perl when there are languages like Python and Ruby out there with easier learning curves and which are just as, if not more powerful (would be happy to learn some good reasons, though).

By this measure, C, or C++, or Ruby must be dead, since I've not seen any new code written in it during my 13 years in the industry. That said, I suspect there are fewer people picking up Perl for the first time for a project these days. My experience with it has always been driven by some degree of "legacy"--someone on the team has experience with the language, and has leveraged CPAN to solve problems. Perl is still…

I see C and Ruby code being written every day in San Francisco.

Re: Is Ruby Dying?

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Post by spoiler »

laureny wrote: post #69
Touche wrote: post #35

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> Finding the right tool for the job should be much much more important That's the most overstated claim in programming. LESS is the "right tool for the job" when the job is styling web pages. Ruby is a general purpose programming language, the jobs it is good for is everything not covered by DSLs like LESS, the same as all other general purpose languages.

> Ruby is a general purpose programming language I question that. Ruby is very slow, dynamically typed and suffers from scaling challenges because of its multithreading support. I think Ruby is increasingly falling into a niche: prototyping. Get a prototype up and running in a few weeks and once the proof of concept is established, switch to a statically typed language on the JVM.

I disagree.

Ruby was slow (still is), but that trend is changing. More and more effort is put into speeding up and modernising Ruby in general.

It might have only begun to mature, but it's definitely getting a there.

Rubinius is a lot faster than MRI and has proper multithreading support. There is also JRuby, which runs on JVM.

Re: Is Ruby Dying?

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Post by jerf »

lstamour wrote: post #73
jerf wrote: post #29

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I expect the JVM to still be going; at least one of Clojure or Scala will probably continue growing for a long time, and there's room for both. It's also possible another Algol-esque language that isn't Java, but is syntactically closer to Java, making people more comfortable, will arise. At some point one of them may even become the "primary" JVM language, with Java hanging on as legacy, but due to the fact Java jus…

For a Google-backed language to replace Rails, Golang has less of a shot IMHO. Mainly because the popularity of Rails stemmed initially from TextMate in the original screencasts. It'd be silly to say that's all that mattered so I'm going to merely strongly imply that without additional books or cookbooks, screen casts, etc. it's hard to see Golang taking off in a community that isn't already invested in learning it.…

"For a Google-backed language to replace Rails"

It's not "replacing Rails", it's replacing new projects in what are today scripting languages (Perl, Python, Ruby, PHP, etc.).

I see fewer people talking about Dart than I see doing things with Go. That said, I did finally beat Google Trends into producing [1], which is interesting. It was hard to convince Trends to show Dart as growing as quickly as Golang, though, so there may be a selection effect (of the several graphs I produced with Dart well behind Golang, this is the only one that shows them even tied), and it still shows Dart as tied with Go, and Go's growth being more steady. I'm still not sure Dart is growing like Go is.

I suppose I should point out that the predictions were my best guesses about what will happen, and do not simply reflect what I "want" to happen.

[1]: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#cat=0-5-31&q=dart%2C%20...

Re: Is Ruby Dying?

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Post by rubiquity »

hahainternet wrote: post #43
sim0n wrote: post #39

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I personally haven't seen any new code being written in Perl during either my time in England or in the Bay Area. I don't really see a reason to use Perl when there are languages like Python and Ruby out there with easier learning curves and which are just as, if not more powerful (would be happy to learn some good reasons, though).

I am in Manchester. I write new Perl code. Python is Perl with a little nicer syntax and a shitload of baggage from overly opinionated people. Ruby is Perl with a little nicer syntax and no other advantages. I have found no compelling reason to switch, and lots of annoyances that don't seem to exist in Perl.

Having written some Python I agree. Having written a lot of Ruby I disagree.

Re: Is Ruby Dying?

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Post by rubiquity »

Ruby isn't dead. It's stabilizing now that all of the language hipsters have moved onto Go/Node.js/Scala/Clojure to recreate a bunch of mini Web libraries to try and make names for themselves in the new languages.

Ruby's best days are still far away.

Re: Is Ruby Dying?

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Post by kamaal »

Demiurge wrote: post #62
hahainternet wrote: post #43

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I am in Manchester. I write new Perl code. Python is Perl with a little nicer syntax and a shitload of baggage from overly opinionated people. Ruby is Perl with a little nicer syntax and no other advantages. I have found no compelling reason to switch, and lots of annoyances that don't seem to exist in Perl.

Following this logic, every language is Perl with a bit of this or that. Perl was one of the first of the kind, but people saw obvious problems with it and so they innovated with 'little nicer syntax' or 'little better object system'. You might not want any of this, but you can't deny most people are happier with Python or Ruby.

This is true for all language that do things right the first time.

If you learn C well, everything else(C based languages) look the very same.

Perl enjoys that first movers advantage.

Re: Is Ruby Dying?

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Post by Systemic33 »

pswenson wrote: post #59
delluminatus wrote: post #20

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Not the OP, but I would expect to see still widely used: * Python - As a programming language for scientists and researchers, replacing Matlab and kin. * Go or Rust - A well-designed, modern language, easier to use than C++ but almost as fast, for enterprise applications or video games. Not sure about Google, but I hope Mozilla will still be around in 10 years. * Lua? - Not sure about this one... but it fills a niche…

"C# - C# is replacing Java as the OO language of choice for big enterprise systems." C# is held back by windows. I know there is mono, but enterprises aren't going to bet on mono. So I have to disagree with that.

Rumor goes that MS will likely make C# cross platform or open source entire .NET runtime, so that they can run Dynamics on Linux as well. In my opinion, if they did this, I would expect C# to get significant growth, and eclipsing Java.

Re: Is Ruby Dying?

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Post by blt »

The author must be pretty wet behind the ears if they think a blog audience will want to read huge blocks of mundane javascript code with console logging and error handling.

Re: Is Ruby Dying?

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Post by rubiquity »

delluminatus wrote: post #20
polysics wrote: post #7

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What do you reckon could not be legacy code in 15 years? C family, Java, maybe Erlang?

Not the OP, but I would expect to see still widely used: * Python - As a programming language for scientists and researchers, replacing Matlab and kin. * Go or Rust - A well-designed, modern language, easier to use than C++ but almost as fast, for enterprise applications or video games. Not sure about Google, but I hope Mozilla will still be around in 10 years. * Lua? - Not sure about this one... but it fills a niche…

"* Go or Rust - A well-designed, modern language, easier to use than C++ but almost as fast, for enterprise applications or video games. Not sure about Google, but I hope Mozilla will still be around in 10 years."

Unfortunately I imagine that Google has enough money to be around at least 20-30 years.

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