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Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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Re: Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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Jesus Christ some of the comments on that article. I wonder if there was some way to analyse what percentage of it is astro-turfing and what percentage is real red-blooded Americans just brainwashed into thinking government knows best. Americans you are lost. It's been nice knowing you.

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Re: Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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If the "terrorists" are following this whole story, wouldn't now be a prime time for another attack? This could have the effect of validating the NSA's activities in many Americans' eyes ("see, the NSA is unable to its job without invading our privacy") and we would see a whole new round of new laws capitalizing on Americans' fears of terrorists (which means their terrorism succeeded).

The NSA makes the lives of terrorists much harder than it would be otherwise. Terrorists undoubtedly welcome Snowden's revelations--both for revealing tactics, and for creating the possibility that the NSA will be constrained by public outrage.

That doesn't imply that what Snowden did was wrong, though. We trade security for freedom in a thousand ways in American culture, and now we have a chance to debate that tradeoff for digital data.

Re: Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assumption #1 in your comment: NSA activities have not and are unable to stop arbitrary terror attacks at all. Assumption #2: That successful attacks in this scenario would lead (reasonable or otherwise) people to demand less surveillance. Assumption #3: Terrorists want to the NSA programs ended, which would not make sense if #1 is true. So I'm not sure why this would be a good strategy for anyone.

I think you have #3 wrong - parent is saying terrorists want NSA programs expanded.

OP is saying NSA wants "terrorist" programs expanded.

Re: Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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Amazing that for so many decades under so many leaders, the American intelligence services have relied on the oath of allegiance to the Constitution to preserve secrecy. The Brits do it right by making people sign the Official Secrets Act which both binds the agent to keep secrets and educates them in full detail what that means.

Re: Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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Jesus Christ some of the comments on that article. I wonder if there was some way to analyse what percentage of it is astro-turfing and what percentage is real red-blooded Americans just brainwashed into thinking government knows best. Americans you are lost. It's been nice knowing you.

>Americans you are lost. It's been nice knowing you.

There are fewer than 500 comments on that site as of right now, that doesn't mean anything about anything.

Sometimes I wonder if people are actually aware that the United States has more people in it than can fit into a single room.

Re: Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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His mission yes - giving up the comforts of a stable paying job in Hawaii and exposing himself to tremendous danger from a variety of nation-state level adversaries for life - in the bargain. Amazingly commendable - all for the sake of preserving core Liberty and Freedom as we know it.

What happens next ? Will things go back to businesses as usual?

Re: Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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post #35

Jesus Christ some of the comments on that article. I wonder if there was some way to analyse what percentage of it is astro-turfing and what percentage is real red-blooded Americans just brainwashed into thinking government knows best. Americans you are lost. It's been nice knowing you.

>Americans you are lost. It's been nice knowing you. There are fewer than 500 comments on that site as of right now, that doesn't mean anything about anything. Sometimes I wonder if people are actually aware that the United States has more people in it than can fit into a single room.

It's what would in most industries be considered a reasonable sized sampling. When you then look at this poll then, things start to look grim indeed: http://www.people-press.org/2013/06/10/majority-views-nsa-ph...

Re: Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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post #35

Jesus Christ some of the comments on that article. I wonder if there was some way to analyse what percentage of it is astro-turfing and what percentage is real red-blooded Americans just brainwashed into thinking government knows best. Americans you are lost. It's been nice knowing you.

>Americans you are lost. It's been nice knowing you. There are fewer than 500 comments on that site as of right now, that doesn't mean anything about anything. Sometimes I wonder if people are actually aware that the United States has more people in it than can fit into a single room.

If you assume the readers of the Washington Post are unbiased, 500 is a decent sample space.

Re: Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Americans you are lost. It's been nice knowing you. There are fewer than 500 comments on that site as of right now, that doesn't mean anything about anything. Sometimes I wonder if people are actually aware that the United States has more people in it than can fit into a single room.

If you assume the readers of the Washington Post are unbiased, 500 is a decent sample space.

But why would you assume that? Just being willing to comment on an article about Edward Snowden on a news website should suggest a bias to begin with.

And then there's the poster with the avatar of Archie Bunker...

Re: Edward Snowden, after months of NSA revelations, says his mission’s accomplished

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assumption #1 in your comment: NSA activities have not and are unable to stop arbitrary terror attacks at all. Assumption #2: That successful attacks in this scenario would lead (reasonable or otherwise) people to demand less surveillance. Assumption #3: Terrorists want to the NSA programs ended, which would not make sense if #1 is true. So I'm not sure why this would be a good strategy for anyone.

I think you misinterpreted the comment. It's arguing that now would be the optimal time for terrorists to strike, validating the NSA.

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