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Java SE 8 Proposed Final Draft Specification — Draft 1

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Re: Java SE 8 Proposed Final Draft Specification — Draft 1

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Post by chamakits »

bhauer wrote: post #2

Looking forward to it! We've been experimenting with early builds and the improvements are enjoyable. My colleague's reference for developer-facing changes in Java 8: http://www.techempower.com/blog/2013/03/26/everything-about-...

I stumbled on the link you just provided some time back and found it to be by far the most comprehensive overview of all the niceties that we will soon be having on Java 8.

Kudos to whoever wrote it up!

Re: Java SE 8 Proposed Final Draft Specification — Draft 1

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Post by jpitz »

goggles99 wrote: post #4

HAHA, C# copied Java in many ways, now Java is following suit. Good for them.

What, it copied a single-class, multiple-interface statically typed OO language? Since the lead architect on C# designed one of those that predated Java, I think it is pretty clear what he was copying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_Pascal

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Post by eropple »

jpitz wrote: post #6
goggles99 wrote: post #4

HAHA, C# copied Java in many ways, now Java is following suit. Good for them.

What, it copied a single-class, multiple-interface statically typed OO language? Since the lead architect on C# designed one of those that predated Java, I think it is pretty clear what he was copying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_Pascal

I think this is a little bit handwavey regarding the historical background. My understanding is that NGWS, and then .NET 1.0, grew out of J++ and the Microsoft JVM extensions being a problem. Most of C#'s semantics, especially with regards to C# 1.0, very closely parallel Java's (right down to stuff like missing generics in the first release), as does large parts of the .NET class library. I don't think it's unfair to characterize it as C# taking a lot of notes from Java, nor do I think it's unfair to characterize Java doing the same thing here.

This isn't to say Anders and company didn't significantly improve it, to be clear, but I tend to think they were looking much more at Java than at Object Pascal.

Re: Java SE 8 Proposed Final Draft Specification — Draft 1

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Post by jpitz »

eropple wrote: post #8
jpitz wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, it copied a single-class, multiple-interface statically typed OO language? Since the lead architect on C# designed one of those that predated Java, I think it is pretty clear what he was copying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_Pascal

I think this is a little bit handwavey regarding the historical background. My understanding is that NGWS, and then .NET 1.0, grew out of J++ and the Microsoft JVM extensions being a problem. Most of C#'s semantics, especially with regards to C# 1.0, very closely parallel Java's (right down to stuff like missing generics in the first release), as does large parts of the .NET class library. I don't think it's unfair t…

I don't think it's unfair to say C# took some cues from Java either, but Property syntax, for example, (sadly) has no counterpart in Java, only Object Pascal/Delphi. Historically, the impetus behind C#'s birth _absolutely_ was Java and the J++ debacle.

tl;dr - I think we mostly agree.

Re: Java SE 8 Proposed Final Draft Specification — Draft 1

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Post by puppetmaster3 »

laureny wrote: post #7
puppetmaster3 wrote: post #5

Lol, Java. This is what v8 should have been: http://vibed.org Edit: look at the code.

A language should have been an asynchronous library? How does that even make sense?

Look at the code, Java like, no? But a lot nicer.
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