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Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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Re: Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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75,000 men were convicted under the same law, of whom 26,000 are still alive. [1] Only Turing has been "pardoned". My understanding [2] is that the "pardon" implies there was nothing wrong with the law as such, just that Turing is forgiven for having broken it. So while I guess this is better than nothing, I don't know if it's really the way to go about it. [1] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldhans…

The House (and I) agree with you. I believe the hope is that this pardon of a well-known & loved figure in the UK will raise awareness in order to force the government to nullify all convictions resulting from this law.

Sixteen thousand of those men are still alive ... they can all now apply to have their convictions disregarded. I tried to amend it to extend this disregard posthumously to the 49,000 men similarly convicted but now dead...

The Government did not agree with us. They pointed out that, among other things, it would not always be possible in very old cases to know when sexual activity was non-consensual or under age. I think that the Government were wrong then and I think that they are wrong now.

Many of us—including the noble Lord, Lord Sharkey, I think—regard this Bill as in some sense a second- best or interim option, in that we would have preferred a measure that offered the same comfort and recompense to the families and admirers of any of the many thousands of other individuals, now deceased, who were convicted under the same law. Still, we are where we are, and in Turing’s case the facts and his character are well documented. I would hazard a guess that others whose family members were victims of the same obsolete law and cruel sentence would, albeit as second best, welcome a gesture towards an especially prominent but symbolically representative individual.

Re: Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sexual intercourse of any kind spreads disease. AIDS didn't become an epidemic because of anal intercourse. It's pretty clear that AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases spread just as well from almost any kind sexual activity, and many of them -- including AIDS -- spread from any transfer of bodily fluids at all. Going further, I'd wager that any form of interpersonal contact, even non-sexual, is as likely to…

They used to lock you up for adultery, too, right up to the 60s. Disease was a consideration. So it's not just a matter of targeting gays. > AIDS didn't become an epidemic because of anal intercourse Yes it did. This is not remotely controversial. Aids and many other STDs are spread chiefly by buggery. This is why the red cross does not want blood donations from homosexuals.

Red cross (in the US) doesn't want blood donations from people who lived in Europe for long enough. Because they have HIV? No.

You got something wrong with correlation and causation there in several ways.

Re: Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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> "Alan Turing, the second world war codebreaker who took his own life after undergoing chemical castration following a conviction for homosexual activity, has been granted a posthumous royal pardon 59 years after his death." I don't understand, I thought what was needed was "royal apologies". WTH.

Don't be too concerned by the "Royal" nature of the pardon. In the UK the legislative system is in theory dependent on the Royal prerogative (i.e all laws derive from the will of the head of state, currently Queen Elizabeth II). In practice that is not so, as Her Majesty does not personally deliberate on legislative matters. However, as a journalistic device, describing the decision as "Royal" conveys the journalists…

wreegab was not objecting to the "royal", but to it being a pardon instead of an apology.

Re: Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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Pardon ? For what? Thanks but no thanks.

Buggery. It's been illegal many places for a very long time because it spreads disease. The sodomy laws were effectively repealed and we got AIDS. It was not a coincidence.

Hate for the sake of hate? You've clearly got issues.

Re: Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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post #18

75,000 men were convicted under the same law, of whom 26,000 are still alive. [1] Only Turing has been "pardoned". My understanding [2] is that the "pardon" implies there was nothing wrong with the law as such, just that Turing is forgiven for having broken it. So while I guess this is better than nothing, I don't know if it's really the way to go about it. [1] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201314/ldhans…

Pardon everyone convicted under similar statues and knight Turing posthumously for his efforts during the war and his contributions to computer science.

I do not think it is possible to knight posthumously.

Re: Royal pardon for codebreaker Alan Turing

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pardon everyone convicted under similar statues and knight Turing posthumously for his efforts during the war and his contributions to computer science.

I do not think it is possible to knight posthumously.

Give him an Oscar then.
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