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Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

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Post by lostlogin »

notdrunkatall wrote: post #75
zequel wrote: post #19

This is why I wouldn't let my kids EVER enlist. The government has no regard for its enlisted. Doesn't take a genius to think our navy would be in harm's way during a RADIOACTIVE DISASTER. Reminds me of when soldiers were being electrocuted in showers in Iraq because of totally incompetent contractors wiring electricity near the showers.

I was in the Army for a few years and recently got out. The Army is considered to be the service which is the least concerned with its service members. That said, the Army most certainly DOES have regard for its enlisted. When things like this happen, bad PR follows. Bad PR is bad for a variety of reasons, one of which being that it makes recruiting more difficult. People will be much less likely to join an organizat…

Thank you for your comment, hearing from someone involved in these things is excellent so please keep commenting. It's the insider perspectives that makes HN great IMHO. I've just come to this thread after reading the below link on sexual assaults within the military (and yes, I'm way behind on my reading). Do you have any thoughts on it? How can it go in challenged and unaddressed when courses are being offered on trivial things like financial planning? And the PR angle you mention should, at a minimum, have some influence. http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21588131-can-new...

Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

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Post by dhughes »

You would think it would have been a good time to test or at least offer Ex-Rad to the sailors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-Rad

"Ex-Rad (or Ex-RAD), also known by the code name ON 01210.Na, is a drug developed by Onconova Therapeutics and the U.S. Department of Defense.[1][2] This newly developed compound is said to be a potent radiation protection agent. Chemically, it is the sodium salt of 4-carboxystyryl-4-chlorobenzylsulfone.[3"

Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

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Post by nevinera »

VLM wrote: post #23

"The levels were incredibly dangerous and at one point, the radiation in the air measured 300 times higher than what was considered safe, Sebourn told The Post." This doesn't mean anything, its technobabble. How many REM or mSv total exposure? "I said something complicated and science-y sounding, so you are supposed to be scared right now". The biggest misfortune is they may even accidentally be correct, just complet…

>Tokyo Electric Power also knew that radioactivity was leaking at a rate of 400 tons a day into the North Pacific, according to the lawsuit and Japanese officials.

This was my favorite line.

Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

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Post by dubfan »

nevinera wrote: post #93
VLM wrote: post #23

"The levels were incredibly dangerous and at one point, the radiation in the air measured 300 times higher than what was considered safe, Sebourn told The Post." This doesn't mean anything, its technobabble. How many REM or mSv total exposure? "I said something complicated and science-y sounding, so you are supposed to be scared right now". The biggest misfortune is they may even accidentally be correct, just complet…

>Tokyo Electric Power also knew that radioactivity was leaking at a rate of 400 tons a day into the North Pacific, according to the lawsuit and Japanese officials. This was my favorite line.

Wow, I didn't realize you could weigh radioactivity!

Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

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Post by mikeash »

AnotherDesigner wrote: post #47

The nuclear apologists are out in full force today. I love how you guys, mostly computer programmers, are so much more informed than experts in nearly every other field of science existing. It must be amazing to be that smart.

Er, the opinions expressed by the "nuclear apologists" generally line up with those of experts in the field.

It's the fools who talk about "400 tons of radiation" who are committing the sin of hubris in thinking that they know more than the experts.

Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

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Post by ceejayoz »

dubfan wrote: post #94
nevinera wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Tokyo Electric Power also knew that radioactivity was leaking at a rate of 400 tons a day into the North Pacific, according to the lawsuit and Japanese officials. This was my favorite line.

Wow, I didn't realize you could weigh radioactivity!

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/188316/English-wat...

Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

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Post by greenyoda »

Pitarou wrote: post #51

On its own, I can't treat this article as credible. The compensation lawyer presents the strongest possible case for his clients, and the journalist is clearly glossing over a great deal in order to get the juiciest quotes. From what little details are given, it sounds like the crew of the Reagan suffered from some kind of gut infection, not radiation poisoning. That would explain why they were denied port entry at G…

"From what little details are given, it sounds like the crew of the Reagan suffered from some kind of gut infection, not radiation poisoning."

Do gut infections cause thyroid problems, cancers and uncontrolled gynecological bleeding?

Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

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Post by _wp3r »

sliverstorm wrote: post #90
moocowduckquack wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If any of them have manage to ingest any of the snow, then they could be subject to long term internal exposure and depending on the type of source, it could be very difficult to scan for.

I'm still confused why the snow was radioactive. Snow = water. Did it form around radioactive particles?

The low on the 13th was 33 around Fukushima. If the humidity was low enough it would not be impossible to have ground level or especially 250ft off the water snow.

EDIT: misread your question. If the steam was radiated it "could" carry that downwind but the nature of decay would greatly reduce the possibility for anything at the size of snow to stay frozen at sea level.

Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

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Post by scotty79 »

coldtea wrote: post #83
scotty79 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope I won't offend anyone by saying that some of the reported health problems after radioactive disaster are usually exaggerated to get reparations.

And I hope I don't offend anyone by saying that most of the numbers reported after a radioactive disaster are BS spin in order for the company/state to save face.

Nothing offensive about it. Everybody hates governments and companies when things go wrong.

Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue

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Post by lostlogin »

JanezStupar wrote: post #57
zequel wrote: post #19

This is why I wouldn't let my kids EVER enlist. The government has no regard for its enlisted. Doesn't take a genius to think our navy would be in harm's way during a RADIOACTIVE DISASTER. Reminds me of when soldiers were being electrocuted in showers in Iraq because of totally incompetent contractors wiring electricity near the showers.

Sure, better let somebody else's kids take care of the shitty work. I agree wholeheartedly.

There is, of course, the better option. Invade less people and spy on less people and then the number of people needed and the danger they face is decreased. Additionally, using the military as a social welfare system may not be the great system some think it is. My perspective is skewed however, as being a New Zealander the threat level is zero (except from our so-called allies, who have bombed us in the past - thanks France).
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