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Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue
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Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Imagine waking up every day for the rest of your life and wondering if you have cancer today? Not good.. 30% of us will have it at some point, also you have chance 1 in 1000-2000 that you'll die next year.
> you have chance 1 in 1000-2000 that you'll die next year. You have a 1000-2000 chance that you'll die when you are no longer an infant but still young. Your chances of dying next year go up as your get older. If you had only 1 chance in 1000 to die each year that would mean that people would live to be 1000 years old on average. A good estimate of human mortality rates can be calculated from Gompertz law: http://fo…
> If you had only 1 chance in 1000 to die each year that would mean that people would live to be 1000 years old on average.
Actually it means your chances of living to be 1000 would be 37%.
0.999 ^ 1000 = .37
Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue
#33We're either a one decade or two from having the necessary robotics technology needed to keep humans out of harm's way in these situations.
http://singularityhub.com/2013/12/20/nasa-unveils-valkyrie-a...
It's really up to us if it's going to be 10 years or 20.
Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue
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Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Imagine waking up every day for the rest of your life and wondering if you have cancer today? Not good.. 30% of us will have it at some point, also you have chance 1 in 1000-2000 that you'll die next year.
> you have chance 1 in 1000-2000 that you'll die next year. You have a 1000-2000 chance that you'll die when you are no longer an infant but still young. Your chances of dying next year go up as your get older. If you had only 1 chance in 1000 to die each year that would mean that people would live to be 1000 years old on average. A good estimate of human mortality rates can be calculated from Gompertz law: http://fo…
I was guessing the age of the parent given this http://ww.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1t9khp/age_d...
I usually say: I have a chance of 1 in 1000 to die next year. It puts other probabilities in perspective.
Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue
#36We're either a one decade or two from having the necessary robotics technology needed to keep humans out of harm's way in these situations. http://singularityhub.com/2013/12/20/nasa-unveils-valkyrie-a... It's really up to us if it's going to be 10 years or 20.
We already can make simple ones, it's a matter of radiation shielding. They don't have to be huge expensive humanoid ones. Robots were used in the Chernobyl cleanup 25 years ago although they ended up getting fried from the radiation. I haven't done much research on the topic of what exists today regarding workarounds for electronics in radioactive environments (if someone has domain knowledge, please tell!), but I suspect we could fix that.
For some interesting history, look up "Bio-Robots" to see how the Soviet Union dealt with the disaster. Basically they sent up humans in heavy lead suits for no more than 45 seconds at a time. Run up, get three or four shovelfuls (they were clearing radioactive debris from the roof), get out.
Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue
#37A Geiger counter is a simple, inexpensive device, and several should be present at all significant military installations and turned on at all times. Why wasn't that the case here?
Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
They could have sidestepped the whole issue with a simple reverse-osmosis water filter. Somehow I get the impression that they did not think the ABC (edit: CBRN) thing through.
A "simple" reverse-osmosis system? A Nimitz class carrier can produce somewhere in the neighborhood of 400,000 gallons of desalinated (potable) water a day. Desalination is very energy intensive, but energy is something that a nuclear powered carrier has plenty of. There are obviously some consumables involved, but it's mostly just energy, and lots of it. RO, on the other hand, requires a lot of high quality, small p…
> The folks who designed the potable water infrastructure for the Nimitz class aircraft carriers were probably idiots.
You are not an idiot just for doing something stupid. All people, even the smartest ones have capacity to do dangerously stupid things. In this case they probably just weren't ordered to built a system that can provide clean water in case of the ship being covered in radioactive snow. So the people doing stupid things (possibly, but not necessarily, idiots) were the people who gave orders. Still hard to imagine for a country that treats nuclear war sort of seriously.
Of course I think you are totally right about RO being non-easy. I have no idea about RO and desalination systems but my motto is "nothing's ever easy".
Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue
#39"The levels were incredibly dangerous and at one point, the radiation in the air measured 300 times higher than what was considered safe, Sebourn told The Post." This doesn't mean anything, its technobabble. How many REM or mSv total exposure? "I said something complicated and science-y sounding, so you are supposed to be scared right now". The biggest misfortune is they may even accidentally be correct, just complet…
Amazing how you think your claim is better informed than those from a primary source. You're right, the mystery solvent must have been it.
Re: Navy sailors have radiation sickness after Japan rescue
#40It was much worse than was reported. An online forum of nuclear engineers (I may still have the link) was the most informative source of news about the disaster at the time. EDIT: found the link. http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=8b5b840e5e9217...
I hope I won't offend anyone by saying that some of the reported health problems after radioactive disaster are usually exaggerated to get reparations.
It's a two way street - they're usually dramatically downplayed by authorities and anybody who would otherwise have to pay. If you're not loud and exaggerated, nobody with any ability to do anything listens and powerful people actively want you to not be heard.
For illustration, the official number of deaths attributed to the Chernobyl disaster is 31.