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Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Post by caf » Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 5:03 AM UTC

andy_ppp wrote: post #261

drivingmissm wrote: post #257

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Yes, Iran's totalitarian leadership is a threat to its neighbors, particularly Israel.

A war between Israel and Iran would be an epic disaster; too bad to even consider leaders of either country being that stupid. I think the arming of Israel with nuclear weapons is probably the biggest mistake the US has ever made... If Israel didn't have nuclear weapons there would be no way I'd consider Iran trying to get them (at almost any cost - we should have aiming for a nuclear free world), but with the situat…

It was far more France than the US that enabled Israel's nuclear program.

(A ground war between Israel and Iran is a practical impossibility, by the way - neither country has the strategic reach for that).

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Post by caf » Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 5:10 AM UTC

bananacurve wrote: post #264

gaius wrote: post #252

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The reality is that Britain wasn't ready. Chamberlain bought us the time needed to power up to fight the Battle of Britain in 1940. Which we won. 2 years later, having profited from selling weapons to both sides, America sees which way the wind is blowing and decides to join the winning team. PS You forgot Clinton bombing pharmaceutical plants in Sudan, then taking his eye off the ball to play his sax, schmooze with…

Your contortions, while amusing, rewrite history in order to maintain your unhealthy obsession with America's alleged wickedness. Sure, Europe won the war and the US tagged along. Right. Whatever you need to believe to try to hold your precious worldview together, reality be damned.

The reality is probably that neither the US nor Russia could have defeated Germany alone. The GP is wrong that the US joined the "winning side" though - they joined the losing side, because a Europe united under one hostile power would be a fundamental security threat to the US.

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Post by caf » Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 5:15 AM UTC

javert wrote: post #226

mousefad wrote: post #212

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A catchy sound byte, but in almost all practical situations, the best defence is avoiding conflict. In fights: flee. In international affairs: diplomacy.

That is disasterous. That logic is why Chaimberlain allowed Hitler to get more and more and more power. ("Surely they'll agree to peace if we just let them have Poland.") It is also why my generation (I'm 27) will eventually have to fight a nuclear war that pits Iran against Israel and possibly the US. That war will potentially kill millions. And whose fault will it be? Obama's and Bush's. They will (if history is ju…

It is also why my generation (I'm 27) will eventually have to fight a nuclear war that pits Iran against Israel and possibly the US.

No, we won't. There is simply no geopolitical logic to Iran and Israel going to war.

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Post by atmosx » Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 7:36 AM UTC

aioprisan wrote: post #288

atmosx wrote: post #237

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USA made a war claiming that Iraq had Nuclear weapons. Apparently it didn't. The only one who gained anything from Iraq war, were 7 USA-based oil companies. Iran has lost the war vs Iraq a some years ago. As a European, I don't see Iran as a threat. But you probably do...

That's wrong. We do know that they had been trying to develop nuclear weapons for years. The first reactor was bought from France in the 70s and the Israelis bombed Iraq a few times to stop them from developing nuclear weapons. The same will happen with Iran if they do not stop enriching uranium above energy-related levels. Back to Iraq, there was evidence that was presented to Congress, and if you ask most of the pe…

If you explain to me why Iran can not have nuclear weapons while USA and Israel (and France and the UK and Russia and Korea and China) can I'll give it a second thought.

My personal view is that the USA was interested in the oil sitting there. End of story. Same thing with Ghadafi. The rest is politics to justify a war that doesn't make any sense.

Indeed the Iraq war was Blair's political destruction in the UK. Why do you think no one wants to attack Syria? Out of lack of evidence ? At that level you don't need evidence, you create them...

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Post by withinNwithout » Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 8:12 AM UTC

rhizome wrote: post #15

From the BSAFE product page: "RSA BSAFE Crypto Kernel offers versions of popular cryptographic algorithms optimized for both small code size and high performance. Unlike alternatives such as open source, our technology is backed by highly regarded cryptographic experts. " [emphasis added]

LOL

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Post by dobbsbob » Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 10:27 AM UTC

gaius wrote: post #252

javert wrote: post #226

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That is disasterous. That logic is why Chaimberlain allowed Hitler to get more and more and more power. ("Surely they'll agree to peace if we just let them have Poland.") It is also why my generation (I'm 27) will eventually have to fight a nuclear war that pits Iran against Israel and possibly the US. That war will potentially kill millions. And whose fault will it be? Obama's and Bush's. They will (if history is ju…

The reality is that Britain wasn't ready. Chamberlain bought us the time needed to power up to fight the Battle of Britain in 1940. Which we won. 2 years later, having profited from selling weapons to both sides, America sees which way the wind is blowing and decides to join the winning team. PS You forgot Clinton bombing pharmaceutical plants in Sudan, then taking his eye off the ball to play his sax, schmooze with…

Battle of Britain was won because the Canadian air force shot down huge numbers of Messerschmitts, and because a German pilot screwed up and bombed London against orders not to do so, instead of focusing on air strips and bases. Result was Allies bombed German cities in retaliation and Hitler ordered London destroyed which took the focus off disabling the Royal AF, and allowed Britain to regain air superiority and stop the attack. Anyways this has nothing to do with RSA taking a bribe to sell feeble crypto products

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Post by davidmartin » Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 11:38 AM UTC

Any European citizen know what is needed for the European Commission for Competition to put a tariff to American imports so they stop destroying the European industry making undeclared and illegal subsidies?

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Post by w_t_payne » Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 11:46 AM UTC

EMC own RSA. We just purchased a bunch of EMC kit. Can we trust it?

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Post by pdkl95 » Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 12:31 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #222

pdkl95 wrote: post #217

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No conspiracy theory requried, as it does not require /intention/ on the part of the NSA. This can simply be Pavlov-style reinforcement: misguided ideas get amplified by rewarding the behaviour with budget increases.

> No conspiracy theory requried Conspiracy doesn't mean aliens and Disney being frozen. It just means people/organisations doing something together in secret. What the NSA and partners have done is very much a conspiracy -- by definition. As the great writer Gore Vidal once put it, " Americans have been trained by media to go into Pavlovian giggles at the mention of 'conspiracy' because for an American to believe in…

My point being they that the conditioning/feedback-loop may exist even in the case where the people involved are not aware of it. It is possible to have agents working independently, on their own compartmentalized pieces of the larger mission, each being influenced in a (apx) similar manner.Given the history of the NSA (and FBI) I would wager there probably is a significant amount of conspiracy in the department.

Money is a powerful conditioning force, and humans miss the "obvious" things that are influencing them all the time.

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Post by andy_ppp » Sun, Dec 22, 2013, 12:33 PM UTC

caf wrote: post #301

andy_ppp wrote: post #261

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A war between Israel and Iran would be an epic disaster; too bad to even consider leaders of either country being that stupid. I think the arming of Israel with nuclear weapons is probably the biggest mistake the US has ever made... If Israel didn't have nuclear weapons there would be no way I'd consider Iran trying to get them (at almost any cost - we should have aiming for a nuclear free world), but with the situat…

It was far more France than the US that enabled Israel's nuclear program. (A ground war between Israel and Iran is a practical impossibility, by the way - neither country has the strategic reach for that).

Oh maybe France sold them the material, but we all know America is consulted all the way on these things. If America had have said no it wouldn't have happened.