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Telegram protocol defeated. Authors are going to modify crypto-algorithm

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Re: Telegram protocol defeated. Authors are going to modify crypto-algorithm

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As a side note, I didn't notice it was google translate until half way through the article. It's getting really good. Is Russian an "easy" language to translate to English?

I noticed it instantly (the title). I also noticed many irregularities throughout the article. I don't know if you're a native speaker, but to me it was obviously computer translated.

Re: Telegram protocol defeated. Authors are going to modify crypto-algorithm

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post #28

As a side note, I didn't notice it was google translate until half way through the article. It's getting really good. Is Russian an "easy" language to translate to English?

I had to struggle to read it. I mean:

After logout, one of the key interlocutors for chat will regenerate, and to check that I have the same key as the source, I can only look in his eyes phone.

...did it translate "iPhone" to "eyes phone"? I'm not sure. If that isn't what happened, then something far more horrible must have.

Re: Telegram protocol defeated. Authors are going to modify crypto-algorithm

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There's a lesson here. I genuinely don't mean to sound smug, but -- remember how confident the Telegram guys were? Remember how sure they were that their protocol would be able to resist the eavesdropping efforts of the NSA and whatever other nefarious interlopers may come along? Remember how they said they'd been working on it for years, and presumably expected for it to last many more years?

Remember how that was, like, five days ago?

Re: Telegram protocol defeated. Authors are going to modify crypto-algorithm

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post #28

As a side note, I didn't notice it was google translate until half way through the article. It's getting really good. Is Russian an "easy" language to translate to English?

I had to struggle to read it. I mean: After logout, one of the key interlocutors for chat will regenerate, and to check that I have the same key as the source, I can only look in his eyes phone. ...did it translate "iPhone" to "eyes phone"? I'm not sure. If that isn't what happened, then something far more horrible must have.

The thing is, I though it was poorly written English, written by a non native speaker, rather than a computer.

I must also clarify that I was a little distracted.

Re: Telegram protocol defeated. Authors are going to modify crypto-algorithm

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post #34

There's a lesson here. I genuinely don't mean to sound smug, but -- remember how confident the Telegram guys were? Remember how sure they were that their protocol would be able to resist the eavesdropping efforts of the NSA and whatever other nefarious interlopers may come along? Remember how they said they'd been working on it for years, and presumably expected for it to last many more years? Remember how that was,…

Never forget.

RIP Telegram (2013-2013).

This whole thing has been interesting to follow because it seems this same thing happens every time someone make macho Crypto-claims. From seeing how confident the Telegram team was to reading all the detractors who were so ready to criticize. It's an interesting dynamic in the Crypto community.

Re: Telegram protocol defeated. Authors are going to modify crypto-algorithm

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post #28

As a side note, I didn't notice it was google translate until half way through the article. It's getting really good. Is Russian an "easy" language to translate to English?

I noticed it instantly (the title). I also noticed many irregularities throughout the article. I don't know if you're a native speaker, but to me it was obviously computer translated.

The thing is, I though it was poorly written English, written by a non native speaker, rather than a computer.

I must also clarify that I was a little distracted.

Re: Telegram protocol defeated. Authors are going to modify crypto-algorithm

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post #28

As a side note, I didn't notice it was google translate until half way through the article. It's getting really good. Is Russian an "easy" language to translate to English?

My understanding is that it isn't but recent-ish statistical approaches have had lots of success. I know that almost overnight Arabic went from an unreadable mess to about as good as a basic non-native speaker.

I wish it'd find its way into usage for East Asian languages more, but I suppose finding dual-equivalent corpuses to build the models off of is hard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_machine_translatio...

Re: Telegram protocol defeated. Authors are going to modify crypto-algorithm

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Demoralized twice, first for finding a flaw, second for not giving the prize.

Why give the prize for not doing what was needed to win the prize, namely reveal the message?

As others have already said, the prize was essentially meaningless because the terms were so narrow.

If the spirit of the prize was "if you break our crypto you win", this guy should win it. If the spirit of the prize was "we don't want to give away 200k, but we want to pretend we're secure", he shouldn't

Re: Telegram protocol defeated. Authors are going to modify crypto-algorithm

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post #34

There's a lesson here. I genuinely don't mean to sound smug, but -- remember how confident the Telegram guys were? Remember how sure they were that their protocol would be able to resist the eavesdropping efforts of the NSA and whatever other nefarious interlopers may come along? Remember how they said they'd been working on it for years, and presumably expected for it to last many more years? Remember how that was,…

Never forget. RIP Telegram (2013-2013). This whole thing has been interesting to follow because it seems this same thing happens every time someone make macho Crypto-claims. From seeing how confident the Telegram team was to reading all the detractors who were so ready to criticize. It's an interesting dynamic in the Crypto community.

RIP Telegram (2013-2013) would make an interesting T-shirt. No one except a few cryptography buffs might understand it, but it would be a funny way to start conversations about information security.
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