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Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Post by andy_ppp »

drivingmissm wrote: post #257
lostlogin wrote: post #254

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Does anyone series believe that Iran is a threat to the world. How about basing threat levels on previous actions? For example, who invades countries most often? Or who's military kills the most people? I've heard about WMD threats before - and who did the invading and killing in the end? That saga ended with almost everyone looking bad.

Yes, Iran's totalitarian leadership is a threat to its neighbors, particularly Israel.

A war between Israel and Iran would be an epic disaster; too bad to even consider leaders of either country being that stupid. I think the arming of Israel with nuclear weapons is probably the biggest mistake the US has ever made... If Israel didn't have nuclear weapons there would be no way I'd consider Iran trying to get them (at almost any cost - we should have aiming for a nuclear free world), but with the situation as it is I wholly sympathise with their position.

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Post by paveldurov »

phpnode wrote: post #145
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #138

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Ah, the Telegram HN account just said he "proposed the contest", so I assumed employee. If he is the financier, then it is not surprising that he doesn't understand why his crypto contest is a bad idea.

right and it also explains why the Telegram guys went ahead with his suggestion, because they're presumably keen to keep their main financial backer happy. I don't think there's any attempt to sell snakeoil here, this is a case of a road to hell being paved with good intentions. To people not well versed in cryptography the things Pavel is saying and the approach Telegram is taking all seem completely reasonable, and…

With all due respect, nothing can be "obvious" unless it is proven. You cannot take something for granted just because a respected cryptographer says that. Not after we learned that NSA pushes backdoors using respected firms and people in the crypto-community.

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Post by bananacurve »

gaius wrote: post #252
javert wrote: post #226

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That is disasterous. That logic is why Chaimberlain allowed Hitler to get more and more and more power. ("Surely they'll agree to peace if we just let them have Poland.") It is also why my generation (I'm 27) will eventually have to fight a nuclear war that pits Iran against Israel and possibly the US. That war will potentially kill millions. And whose fault will it be? Obama's and Bush's. They will (if history is ju…

The reality is that Britain wasn't ready. Chamberlain bought us the time needed to power up to fight the Battle of Britain in 1940. Which we won. 2 years later, having profited from selling weapons to both sides, America sees which way the wind is blowing and decides to join the winning team. PS You forgot Clinton bombing pharmaceutical plants in Sudan, then taking his eye off the ball to play his sax, schmooze with…

Your contortions, while amusing, rewrite history in order to maintain your unhealthy obsession with America's alleged wickedness. Sure, Europe won the war and the US tagged along. Right. Whatever you need to believe to try to hold your precious worldview together, reality be damned.

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Post by enkephalin »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #255
gejjaxxita wrote: post #171

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Why less able?

Are you seriously asking why a branch of the the USA's government has less power outside of the USA?

if you consider the fact that the nsa and cia often collaborate closely, and then look at the amount of influence the cia has often displayed in the past, towards foreign countries/regimes etc., gejjaxxita's question seems quite reasonable.

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Post by paulnechifor »

crazytony wrote: post #249
javert wrote: post #226

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That is disasterous. That logic is why Chaimberlain allowed Hitler to get more and more and more power. ("Surely they'll agree to peace if we just let them have Poland.") It is also why my generation (I'm 27) will eventually have to fight a nuclear war that pits Iran against Israel and possibly the US. That war will potentially kill millions. And whose fault will it be? Obama's and Bush's. They will (if history is ju…

Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich Agreement which allowed Germany to annex parts of Czechoslovakia at the end of September 1938. World War 2 started when Germany decided to invade Poland in late 1939. Germany was never given Poland. You get even the most basic history wrong and then proceed to say that Bush and Obama are historically equivalent to Stalin and Hitler? Never let facts get in the way of a good dogma.

> World War 2 started when Germany decided to invade Poland in late 1939.

Germany and the Soviet Union. Sure, the Soviets attacked after the Germans, but they split Poland between them before the invasion.

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Post by [deleted] »

atmosx wrote: post #235
SamReidHughes wrote: post #115

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When 'tptacek is wrong, he's obnoxiously wrong, especially in his inability to believe in government misbehavior, and his willingness to denigrate "message board nerds" on that sort of matter. (See also his attacks on Greenwald when the Snowden story started.) So personally I was looking forward to seeing somebody comment about him.

Yeah, I get that a lot too. Also his attitude towards open source cryptography related projects is strange and totally unjustified imho.

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Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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paveldurov wrote: post #260
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #124

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This is a really bad and somewhat frustrating comment (if you're trolling, nicely done). He's absolutely correct about Telegram and this is not how you run crypto contests. This isn't even a tptacek opinion, it's a "everybody who has any reputation in the crypto field" opinion. Edit: Oh, you're the Telegram employee who designed the contest. I encourage you to read moxie's blog post, and Schneiers rebuttals to crypto…

The wish to broaden the contest is understandable and already taken into account http://bit.ly/1htlEod What I was saying in the comment above, however, had nothing to do with the contest. I expressed concern about tptacek's aggressive promotion of one algorithms (branded as "modern") over the other (claimed as "anachronistic") without any substantial proof. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6941934 This is really…

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