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Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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USCC doesn't protect anyone either. They, like most of the Department of "Defense", are almost entirely offense in nature.

The best defence is a good offence.

Asymmetric warfare with multiple adversaries doesn't work that way. For example, Stuxnet did not make U.S power plants safe from malicious attackers. I recommend reading Ralph Langner's op-ed in the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/06/04/do-cyberatta...

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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There's enough wrong with what the NSA has been doing, and enough reasons to encourage people to take an interest in how to curtail, or at least better police, their actions without resorting to tawdry conspiracy theories. The NSA doesn't "protect" anyone. They are an intelligence agency. Their mandate is to collect information. The group you're thinking of, the one that's actually supposed to "protect" the network,…

No conspiracy theory requried, as it does not require /intention/ on the part of the NSA. This can simply be Pavlov-style reinforcement: misguided ideas get amplified by rewarding the behaviour with budget increases.

>No conspiracy theory requried

Conspiracy doesn't mean aliens and Disney being frozen.

It just means people/organisations doing something together in secret.

What the NSA and partners have done is very much a conspiracy -- by definition.

As the great writer Gore Vidal once put it, "Americans have been trained by media to go into Pavlovian giggles at the mention of 'conspiracy' because for an American to believe in a conspiracy he must also believe in flying saucers or, craziest of all, that more than one person was involved in the JFK murder."

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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post #207

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USCC doesn't protect anyone either. They, like most of the Department of "Defense", are almost entirely offense in nature.

The best defence is a good offence.

Not if you're a 800-pound gorilla against 30kg monkeys...

Then offense is just offence.

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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> Jesus, what a tool you are. I absolutely believe you: I think you read this story and eagerly awaited its implications to some random person on HN. Huh, I've seen your patience tested on HN before, which tends to elicit mostly restrained responses save for a bit of snark, but that's the first instance of actual name calling I've noticed. I'm genuinely curious how this comment annoyed you. The tone I'd expect is mor…

Your series of comments in this thread is way below the threshold for positive contributions to any HN discussion.

Whereas repeated pro-NSA apologies are? How many people would approve of them and how would they respond to them, if the person making them wasn't also all powerful in a forum?

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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The best defence is a good offence.

A catchy sound byte, but in almost all practical situations, the best defence is avoiding conflict. In fights: flee. In international affairs: diplomacy.

That is disasterous. That logic is why Chaimberlain allowed Hitler to get more and more and more power. ("Surely they'll agree to peace if we just let them have Poland.")

It is also why my generation (I'm 27) will eventually have to fight a nuclear war that pits Iran against Israel and possibly the US.

That war will potentially kill millions. And whose fault will it be? Obama's and Bush's. They will (if history is just and we don't change course) go down in history as potentially making mistakes that killed millions, just as Stalin and Hitler did.

Or we could insist now (or, ideally, a few years ago) that Iran not develop nuclear weapons capability, if necessary fighting a minor tactical war to stop them.

(There is NO reason to have Vietnam IV, where Afghanistan and Iraq are Vietnam II and III. Except of course socialism for defense contractors and altruism as we throw away trillions "re-building" the latter two countries.)

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Willing, sure, but probably less able, at least outside of the close allies like the UK.

Why less able?

Threatening with legal punishment for noncompliance doesn't work, and neither does appealing to patriotism.

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Those aren't the only options. Anyone with any smarts can figure out how to quietly and anonymously leak a lot of these details. The fact is that they were too cowardly to do even that though.

As somebody who has been in IT for almost two decades, I can't think of a safe way to get a file off our corporate LAN without leaving a trail leading to me. I realize it's an argument from ignorance fallacy, and maybe there are such ways, but I'm not aware of them.

Curiously someone claiming to have a safe way is also arguing from ignorance: "maybe there are ways to detect this, but I am not aware of them".

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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The issue is, imo, very murky but as I understand it: NSA approached Nacchio and Qwest to do what they were doing with AT&T and Verizon. Qwest had previously helped the NSA intercept all comms in Salt Lake City during the Olympics but told the NSA they weren't interested in cooperating. Nacchio sells some stock. Qwest is suddenly dropped as the favored vendor for a huge government contract leading to a drop in Qwest'…

Read the indictment. Nacchio was convicted along with several other executives of running a pump and dump scam. Despite being specifically prohibited from trading based on insider information, Nacchio first became aware that their earnings guidance was "a huge stretch", that to meet them would involve growing revenue from a line of business that had been failing to grow revenue and that had actually been underperform…

So now his character is even bigger enigma. If the guy was a crook and fine with ripping stockholders out of 100MM tune, then how come he didnt want to play along with NSA? If he was greedy then he should have gone along with NSA offer. What could be his motive to say no to NSA? Wouldn't he know, at the time, saying no to the Gov may result in his contracts being shut off??

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Think of it from the executives perspective: Option A: keep mouth shut, make a shit ton of money Option B: become a martyr, face prison time People like Snowden are rare.

>>People like Snowden are rare. In all honesty, Snowden is a 30 year old single dude, and as far as I know, he doesn't have kids. Do you think he would have done what he did if he had a family to look after? In my opinion a person's first responsibility is to their family. So yeah, if you're married (like these executives probably are) and you're facing the choice between option A and option B, you should absolutely…

Maybe, we, as a community, could lessen that dilemma by helping the families of martyrs.
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