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Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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I wonder if any of the executives involved with this deal will have a moment of clarity and make a public statement - "I was directly told by representatives of the U.S. Government that if we did not take this deal there would be direct and material consequences for both my company and myself. Here is the names of the people I met with, here is a log of the meetings. If I am jailed or in some other fashion publicly d…

Think of it from the executives perspective: Option A: keep mouth shut, make a shit ton of money Option B: become a martyr, face prison time People like Snowden are rare.

>>People like Snowden are rare.

In all honesty, Snowden is a 30 year old single dude, and as far as I know, he doesn't have kids. Do you think he would have done what he did if he had a family to look after?

In my opinion a person's first responsibility is to their family. So yeah, if you're married (like these executives probably are) and you're facing the choice between option A and option B, you should absolutely pick option A.

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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How many times did you check your comment to make sure all grammar and punctuation is perfect? :)

Is wasn't perfect. There was a space between "but" and the ellipsis. Not to mention the several other mistakes.

It wasn't... You know, I hate being the guy that hate those who hate being that guy, but couldn't resist.

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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I use one of these tokens for work. Spying is one thing but destroying encryption is another evil thing to do. If the NSA has introduced bugs in crypto then who's to say someone else can exploit the same crypto.

i wonder if Snowden has any detailed info on the NSA indroduced/forced backdoors (he obviously was aware about their existence in general like pretty much everybody in the world who isn't a tptacek's religious follower) and this or something like this is what keeps him alive - ie. NSA is afraid of dead man switch while other side(s) hopes that Snowden will reveal more and specifically useful for actual hacking info w…

so that's the thing that scares me

a nsa official just did an obvious trial-balloon of pardoning snowden in exchange for return of all the docs [1]

but now that snowden is in russia, you have to assume that many nation-states have seen all these docs. so really, the nsa is worried that you and I will see them

fucking amazing

[1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/nsa-edward-snow...

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Your series of comments in this thread is way below the threshold for positive contributions to any HN discussion.

I'm curious as to your opinion of tptacek's deleted comment, and whether that was above or below the positive contribution threshold.

It was a reply to a taunt.

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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I disagree with many of tptacek's opinions but honestly he's one of the reasons this site is great. He is capable of arguing with people with strongly opposing views with civility, which is something that is entirely too rare these days. He's also capable of admitting when he's wrong and being gracious when proven right. Also entirely too rare these days. I'd rather have a thousand tptaceks on this site than zero.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6944628 > Jesus, what a tool you are. How very civil and gracious.

He's a human being, and thus imperfect. He's still much easier to have a conversation with than 99% of the posters on HN.

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Pretty much. Not only that, but he's incredibly influential, so to see him get knocked down a peg does a lot of good.

This is a bit much and was not at all the motivation behind my comment.

This is what happens when you make it personal, though. I try to let being right be its own reward, not a license to tell people how wrong they were.

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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This is a bit much and was not at all the motivation behind my comment.

This is what happens when you make it personal, though. I try to let being right be its own reward, not a license to tell people how wrong they were.

tptacek has the most karma on HN (even moreso than pg): https://news.ycombinator.com/leaders (for reference, pg has 149712 karma at the time of writing; tptacek has 165020 and the next person has 88887) His opinion is respected by many (and many accept what he says without question). A retraction by tptacek reminds us all to think critically

lawnchair_larry's comment is equivalent to questioning the president or a major celebrity, which oftentimes isn't a personal grudge.

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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Think of it from the executives perspective: Option A: keep mouth shut, make a shit ton of money Option B: become a martyr, face prison time People like Snowden are rare.

>>People like Snowden are rare. In all honesty, Snowden is a 30 year old single dude, and as far as I know, he doesn't have kids. Do you think he would have done what he did if he had a family to look after? In my opinion a person's first responsibility is to their family. So yeah, if you're married (like these executives probably are) and you're facing the choice between option A and option B, you should absolutely…

Snowden had a girlfriend, AFAIK.

Re: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer

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When 'tptacek is wrong, he's obnoxiously wrong, especially in his inability to believe in government misbehavior, and his willingness to denigrate "message board nerds" on that sort of matter. (See also his attacks on Greenwald when the Snowden story started.) So personally I was looking forward to seeing somebody comment about him.

Pretty much. Not only that, but he's incredibly influential, so to see him get knocked down a peg does a lot of good.

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