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Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

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Post by simoncion »

gress wrote: post #243
simoncion wrote: post #237

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Edit: Oh, heh. I mis-read your statement. Regardless, I'll keep my original comment below. Do with it what you will. _________________ 1) 6-figures is middle-of-the-road when it comes to meeting living expenses in SV. You will never own an urban house (and will likely not own a suburban house) on that salary in the area. 2) Have you, like, ever ridden in a big bus before? They're pretty nausea-inducing and tend to ge…

I'm not really sure what to make of this!

You're not sure what to make of what?

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

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Post by ye »

thomasz wrote: post #177
ye wrote: post #106

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The irony of your comment only emphasizes how little you understand that NONE of it is techies' fault. Is it their fault they thought about the future and picked tough but useful majors? Is it their fault that hipsters chose art, history, women studies and other (financially) useless stuff, just because that's what they liked to do? Is it their fault that hipsters feel entitled to a high paying job?

Not everybody can be part of the glorious STEM master race!

Sure, I have no problem with people doing art or studying history or women or philosophy.

My problem is with the entitlement and the attacks on the people who chose financially more successful professions.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE LOVE LOVE art. I just don't think our society has so many gifted artists. I've taken many art classes in college and most art students sucked, truly sucked at art. There were objectively great artists among them, but I'd say fewer than 10%.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

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Post by [deleted] »

kasey_junk wrote: post #169
aetherson wrote: post #71

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Yeah, I want to know what people think that alternative to gentrification is. Do they imagine that high income people will eventually just not live anywhere? Do they imagine that life would be better if all growth in the Bay Area were new construction sprawl out in the edges of the urban area where there's no displacement? Is it explicitly selfish, like, "go gentrify San Jose, those guys are assholes anyway"?

I don't have a dog in this fight, but there are some pretty obvious things you could do to fight the burden of gentrification on lower income original members of the population (they may have other side effects that are burdensome). Off the top of my head: - Massive taxes on "teardown" or size exploding renovations. - Zoning laws that require at least 1 (or a % based) Section 8 unit per multi-unit development/renovat…

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Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

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Post by ye »

jacalata wrote: post #218
ye wrote: post #106

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The irony of your comment only emphasizes how little you understand that NONE of it is techies' fault. Is it their fault they thought about the future and picked tough but useful majors? Is it their fault that hipsters chose art, history, women studies and other (financially) useless stuff, just because that's what they liked to do? Is it their fault that hipsters feel entitled to a high paying job?

As a techie, I'm not sure most of them 'thought about the future and picked a tough but useful major'. More like, most of them (including myself) picked the most interesting major, and tada, it's worth money!

I partially agree with you. I think ALL college/uni students must be forced to go through career counselling once a year.

Too many young people are fed "you're a special snowflake, you can be whatever you want to be" bullsh*t for years, and most fall for it.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

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Post by manicbovine »

nknighthb wrote: post #168
manicbovine wrote: post #165

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I hope that you include a link to your hacker news profile on your resume in order to help employers like me to avoid hiring you.

Please tell me your company's name, so I can avoid ever patronizing it, and be ready to dial 911 should any of your employees ever approach me. Edit: Nevermind, I found you. I wouldn't be caught dead in Arizona, and I'm not an educator, so we're both quite safe.

Try both Tokyo and San Diego, plus consumer electronics. With well over 8000 employees, you will be calling 911 quite a lot. Perhaps notify the police of your complete insanity.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

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Post by null_ptr »

negamax wrote: post #221
null_ptr wrote: post #202

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Being a soft and easy target has to be part of it. It stands to reason that people who smash bus windows are the same people who used to beat up nerds at school when they were children. Some people set themselves up for a life of shit from the get go and never bother to change course.

I fully agree with you. But I think grown up nerds are far more successful and powerful than their highschool bullies counterparts. I am more afraid of good people turning into vendetta seekers because of this (your comment kind of resonates to what I am foreseeing as plausible outcome).

What I meant was that some people clearly never grow up past highschool. Instead of taking charge of their own lives, they choose to engage in childish games like bullying and name calling. They're still waiting for the teacher to bail them out and advance them to the next grade instead of leaving them behind until they put in the work necessary to pass the class. But there's no teacher waiting on you when you're in your 20s - the assumption is that you've grown up by now.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

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Post by [deleted] »

jessedhillon wrote: post #137
bonemachine wrote: post #124

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These are Burning Man hippies, self-styled artists, people who graduated from great schools with useless majors, and the usual constituent of the Bay Area's overprivileged poverty tourists: 20-30 y/o white kids from middle class families. Oh, get off it, man. All that we "know" about the perpetrators at this point is that they were apparently (1) young and (2) non-black. As to the rest the attributes you impute to th…

a) I have no objection to this phrase and will edit my comment thus. b) I'm reacting to the race card being employed by people who are tokenizing and mascotifying (to coin phrase) the same people who they themselves pushed out!

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Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

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Post by blahbl4hblahtoo »

If Google would pay their fare share of taxes instead of sheltering them offshore then the bay area could have awesome public transit for everybody.

For all of you bitching about the "burning man" types. The bay area is full of runaways that look just like those kids and are easily radicalized. San Francisco is a "libro-cryt" city. Its very liberal, but they treat the poor like shit.

Apple and Goolge should stop sheltering their taxes.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

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Post by damon_c »

There is a real issue with these buses. In New York City, gentrification tends to be correlated with subway commute time to Manhattan and distances to subway stations.

When you introduce private busing, you plop gentrification down in strange places that may lack public transportation and you're giving the gentry exclusive access to an incredible convenience.

This convenience is conspicuously not shared by their neighbors who have long walks, bike rides, buses to other buses to trains, to take them to their often much less remunerative work.

The convenience also allows a certain economic class to enjoy more geographic options while not forcing the city to have appropriate taxation to build real infrastructure that can be shared by everyone.

It does kinda suck.

Someone very dear to me takes a Google bus daily and I fear for their happiness.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

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Post by sirkneeland »

9999 wrote: post #112
jessedhillon wrote: post #48

West Oakland is a traditionally black neighborhood that surrounds the Port of Oakland. It has been heavily gentrified, developed, and restructured over the past three decades. Now there is an upper class enclave that has been established near the West Oakland BART station, in Jack London, and in the city of Emeryville. Oh fuck you and your dreadlocks. There are only two photos on that page, so I don't definitively kn…

Re: The port shutdown: The longshoremen's union supported the Occupy shutdown, but were contractually obligated not to participate in the protest. Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/occupy-oakland-shuts-down-port/ Since almost everything else you said is anecdotal, it's hard for me to respond to, but your statement about the longshoremen, that's certainly wrong. In general, the people that you are deriding and caric…

"Why not extend the light rail system into the valley?"

NIMBYs, that's why.

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