Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

indybay.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 340 posts

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#121

Post by manicbovine »

nknighthb wrote: post #113
manicbovine wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's as if you are auditioning for the Glenn Beck show. That's probably where you belong edit: Since when is political vitriol acceptable for HN? If I wanted to hear bullshit political rants with gems like "traditional blacks" or "fuck you and your dreadlocks", then I'd turn on Fox News or MSNBC. Seriously, traditional blacks with weasely scare quotes? That comment could not be less informative, disingenuous, or fals…

Do you understand that you are attacking some of your most powerful political allies, and that it is not helpful to solving the systemic issues contributing to poverty?

What in the hell are you talking about? Who have I attacked? None of the people in this thread are my "most important political allies". Did you people read "political debate and logical fallacies for dummies"?

How does "fuck you and your dreadlocks" do anything to help people? Should I use that next time I'm volunteering at the soup kitchen? Really, there must be no hope for American politics, because this is probably the most idiotic exchange I'll have today.

I presume you have made some assumptions about me, like perhaps I helped to attack this bus? That's funny stuff.

Reddit is leaking.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#123

Post by dragontamer »

johnamaeda wrote: post #97
zach wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's hipsters versus nerds now? Has it come to this?

The problem is that a big corporation like Google gives less than it takes as of now, tax wise, and guarantees their employees a standard of living out of reach for most americans now, or the rest of the world for that matter. A standard of living paid for, in part, by the very same taxes they manage to avoid, along with several other big corporations. Not to mention they are no stranger to the US government, and pro…

So... attacking the individual workers in this corporation sends the right message... how?

If you want to attack Google over Google's practices, be my guest. But attacking commuters on a bus? What the hell? Heck, the bus doesn't even seem like it was owned by Google.

It is one thing to protest unethical Corporate Practices, unfair tax rules that they're abusing, etc. etc. But its another thing entirely to attack the innocent workers on a bus.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#124

Post by bonemachine »

jessedhillon wrote: post #48

West Oakland is a traditionally black neighborhood that surrounds the Port of Oakland. It has been heavily gentrified, developed, and restructured over the past three decades. Now there is an upper class enclave that has been established near the West Oakland BART station, in Jack London, and in the city of Emeryville. Oh fuck you and your dreadlocks. There are only two photos on that page, so I don't definitively kn…

These are Burning Man hippies, self-styled artists, people who graduated from great schools with useless majors, and the usual constituent of the Bay Area's overprivileged poverty tourists: 20-30 y/o white kids from middle class families.

Oh, get off it, man.

All that we "know" about the perpetrators at this point is that they were apparently (1) young and (2) non-black. As to the rest the attributes you impute to them -- as of yet we don't "know" any of these to be fact. At best all you can honestly say at this point would be:

Now I don't know for a fact, but ya know, I have a hunch these are Burning Man hippies, self-styled artists, etc etc ...

This is not nit-picking. The fact that you're saying that you "know" everything about their demographic / psychographic makeup when in fact you are merely speculating is what's part of the broader problem here: rather than elucidating the problem, you're subverting the discourse.

And more to the point: you're pushing people's buttons, by appealing to stereotypes and their own identity- and privilege-based insecurities.

In so many words: you're placing the race card.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_card

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#128

Post by wavesounds »

jessedhillon wrote: post #48

West Oakland is a traditionally black neighborhood that surrounds the Port of Oakland. It has been heavily gentrified, developed, and restructured over the past three decades. Now there is an upper class enclave that has been established near the West Oakland BART station, in Jack London, and in the city of Emeryville. Oh fuck you and your dreadlocks. There are only two photos on that page, so I don't definitively kn…

I've gotten into some 'debates' with friends on facebook who are are in the 'anarchist/burner/hipster' persuasion. And It's mostly scape-goating programmers for rents going up. But I do think the Startup community in particular could do a better job interacting with the communities we live in. Especially as more and more people jump on the startup bandwagon and don't really understand the hacker/nerd ethos of protecting the little guy that most of us embrace. The recent remarks of the founder of Anglehack come to mind as something that gives the community a very bad name http://valleywag.gawker.com/happy-holidays-startup-ceo-compl...

Edit: I do realize more programmers moving to the bay means higher rents I just think its the fault of SF for not building enough housing http://www.theatlanticcities.com/housing/2013/10/san-francis...

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#129

Post by sp332 »

ry0ohki wrote: post #89
sp332 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At 54F ambient, wind chill at 40 MPH drops to just above freezing.

It's the back window busted out though? So there wouldn't be a 40mph wind chill I don't think

Ah I didn't think of that. There's a different issue though which is that the exhaust will be pulled into the bus.

Re: Google Bus blocked, window smashed in West Oakland

#130

Post by GrinningFool » 

    “Bus driver, what are you gonna do, man? What are you gonna do?”
    “Don’t worry. It’s freedom of speech, freedom of speech.”
    The kind young man then walked to the rear of the bus, saying,
    “Oh my god! What’s gonna happen next?”
    The same female passenger took out her phone and began filming the blockade.
    “At least we’re warm in here and they’re cold out there,” she said.
The nice thing about 'journalism' like this is that when you just make shit up to improve your 'story', there's nobody to hold you accountable.
Post reply on HN