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Kansas Board of Regents restricts free speech for academics

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Re: Kansas Board of Regents restricts free speech for academics

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Aaaaand this is why I'm developing an alternate, anonymous online personality.

Well good luck, 'Adam Wong'.

Don't forget to use separate browsers, so you don't accidentally do something with one account that you should have done with the other.

Re: Kansas Board of Regents restricts free speech for academics

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post #5

This is directly related to a professor's controversial tweet after the navy yard shooting: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2013/nov/25/after-discord-cause... http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/12/19/kansas-regents...

That's an absurdly low bar for controversy. If they're looking to police innocuous comments like that, this particular comment is just a pretext.

Re: Kansas Board of Regents restricts free speech for academics

#13

Aaaaand this is why I'm developing an alternate, anonymous online personality.

Well good luck, 'Adam Wong'. Don't forget to use separate browsers, so you don't accidentally do something with one account that you should have done with the other.

Everything I do with as Mr Hyde is done through a virtual machine which I encrypt and store on a thumb drive. And I only connect to the internet through Tor. I'm not a security expert so these aren't extraordinary measures but it makes it reasonably safe to post material that future employers might find unsavory.

Re: Kansas Board of Regents restricts free speech for academics

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post #7

Considering that it's the Kansas Board of Regents and not say the Kansas Legislature and Governor I'm not sure their right to free speech is being violated. What I mean is that every job comes with restrictions on speech, you shouldn't badmouth the boss, you shouldn't stir up dissent, you can't give away company secrets or violate an NDA you might have executed. None of those are in violation of the First Amendment s…

I think you're wrong on two counts: one practical, one theoretical. The practical one is that state schools are arms of the state. Given that their governor sits on the Board of Regents, I'm not sure they're effectively distinguishable in the way you suggest. The theoretical one is that universities are not like "every job". The whole point of universities is to encourage bold intellectual inquiry. Academic freedom i…

I always thought that your right to free speech was as a citizen, not as an employee. For example if you work for the President and you badmouth him, he can have you fired. The distinction is that once you don't work for him anymore, you're now free to say whatever you want.

I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. If my mental model for how free speech works is wrong I'd love to find out. Especially if you can give me case law to look at.

Re: Kansas Board of Regents restricts free speech for academics

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post #7

Considering that it's the Kansas Board of Regents and not say the Kansas Legislature and Governor I'm not sure their right to free speech is being violated. What I mean is that every job comes with restrictions on speech, you shouldn't badmouth the boss, you shouldn't stir up dissent, you can't give away company secrets or violate an NDA you might have executed. None of those are in violation of the First Amendment s…

I think you're wrong on two counts: one practical, one theoretical. The practical one is that state schools are arms of the state. Given that their governor sits on the Board of Regents, I'm not sure they're effectively distinguishable in the way you suggest. The theoretical one is that universities are not like "every job". The whole point of universities is to encourage bold intellectual inquiry. Academic freedom i…

> The theoretical one is that universities are not like "every job". The whole point of universities is to encourage bold intellectual inquiry. Academic freedom is at the heart of what universities do. Whether or not they can legally get away with trying to treat professors like serfs seems less important to me.

Then maybe universities shouldn't be funded by the state. A CIA operative, military officer, cabinet member, etc. doesn't have a broad freedom of speech, because they are paid by the state to do a job. If you want to be free, don't take the 'dirty money'.

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're wrong on two counts: one practical, one theoretical. The practical one is that state schools are arms of the state. Given that their governor sits on the Board of Regents, I'm not sure they're effectively distinguishable in the way you suggest. The theoretical one is that universities are not like "every job". The whole point of universities is to encourage bold intellectual inquiry. Academic freedom i…

I always thought that your right to free speech was as a citizen, not as an employee. For example if you work for the President and you badmouth him, he can have you fired. The distinction is that once you don't work for him anymore, you're now free to say whatever you want. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. If my mental model for how free speech works is wrong I'd love to find out. Especially if you can give me case…

that's right. 'freedom of speech' is about the right not to be thrown in jail for your speech, not about your entitlement to a sum of money, or a position with a title.

Re: Kansas Board of Regents restricts free speech for academics

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're wrong on two counts: one practical, one theoretical. The practical one is that state schools are arms of the state. Given that their governor sits on the Board of Regents, I'm not sure they're effectively distinguishable in the way you suggest. The theoretical one is that universities are not like "every job". The whole point of universities is to encourage bold intellectual inquiry. Academic freedom i…

I always thought that your right to free speech was as a citizen, not as an employee. For example if you work for the President and you badmouth him, he can have you fired. The distinction is that once you don't work for him anymore, you're now free to say whatever you want. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. If my mental model for how free speech works is wrong I'd love to find out. Especially if you can give me case…

Practicing free speech is a duty for an academic - there is this idea of "public intellectual". It's also the duty of the employer not to restrict it in the name of political expediency.

Re: Kansas Board of Regents restricts free speech for academics

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're wrong on two counts: one practical, one theoretical. The practical one is that state schools are arms of the state. Given that their governor sits on the Board of Regents, I'm not sure they're effectively distinguishable in the way you suggest. The theoretical one is that universities are not like "every job". The whole point of universities is to encourage bold intellectual inquiry. Academic freedom i…

> The theoretical one is that universities are not like "every job". The whole point of universities is to encourage bold intellectual inquiry. Academic freedom is at the heart of what universities do. Whether or not they can legally get away with trying to treat professors like serfs seems less important to me. Then maybe universities shouldn't be funded by the state. A CIA operative, military officer, cabinet membe…

That's an idealistic view. The US has seen immense success in the past 100 years or so by funding universities for research and at the same time still providing a "reasonable" amount of academic freedom for professors. It attracted the brightest minds of the world and gave them the resource to study what they wanted to do. And you propose throwing that away for an absolutist principle?

Re: Kansas Board of Regents restricts free speech for academics

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Aaaaand this is why I'm developing an alternate, anonymous online personality.

Well good luck, 'Adam Wong'. Don't forget to use separate browsers, so you don't accidentally do something with one account that you should have done with the other.

Don't want to do it the wong way, after all.

Re: Kansas Board of Regents restricts free speech for academics

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well good luck, 'Adam Wong'. Don't forget to use separate browsers, so you don't accidentally do something with one account that you should have done with the other.

Don't want to do it the wong way, after all.

After 27 years, that joke is still fresh as ever. /s
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