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Re: Go away Cameron – Bypass UK's porn filter

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Post by rossriley » Fri, Dec 20, 2013, 1:28 PM UTC

annnnd wrote: post #73

MisterWebz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do we incentivize people to fight back against every single law that could potentially harm privacy or force censorship? The people making these laws have every bit of incentive to do so, while the regular people have limited willpower, limited resources and limited time. Sure we can pull off another SOPA blackout, but I don't think we can do it consistently. They'll keep proposing harmful laws and we can't stop…

The solution is to make those that support these bill pay the price (as high as possible - in votes, revenue, public image,...) for it. One by one...

The problem with this thinking is that it's impractical to vote on the basis of single issues when we elect representatives at a local level.

When choosing from the ten or so candidates available we have to consider a broad spectrum of issues; who will manage the health service the best, who will be best for the economy etc. Whilst internet censorship is an important element, it's by no means the primary consideration even for us that work in the industry, let alone the wider electorate.

Re: Go away Cameron – Bypass UK's porn filter

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Post by pessimizer » Fri, Dec 20, 2013, 1:30 PM UTC

dagw wrote: post #31

TheAnimus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I reckon a large proportion of people will opt out HAH! I had a friend one day in tears because her bf had some porn on his laptop. She was shocked, outraged etc. She owned a dildo. Some people have horrific double standards, unless people make a stand against censorship (unlikely) or their desire for porn (even less likely). This is only going to get worse.

In what world is that a double standard??? Enjoying masturbation and sex toys while disapproving of pornography seems like a healthy and reasonable stance to take.

I wouldn't say it's healthy and reasonable, but it's certainly not hypocritical.

Re: Go away Cameron – Bypass UK's porn filter

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Post by jingwen » Fri, Dec 20, 2013, 1:35 PM UTC

nubela wrote: post #76

nubela wrote: post #2

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All the best for your products and projects, current and future. When I first saw this topic, I thought the name was familiar.. then I remembered having saw it first in /r/singapore, where you announced GOM and 6900000.

You're helping a ton of people out while taking quite a bit of risk. You're a good man.

Re: Go away Cameron – Bypass UK's porn filter

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Post by anExcitedBeast » Fri, Dec 20, 2013, 1:46 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #87

This thread elegantly demonstrates the problem. Most people - even in a technical audience with a deep interest in the subject - have no fucking clue what's actually happen nor how it's happening. This is how stupid laws get passed. People don't bother to write the correct letters to the correct people to get the stupid laws stopped. I find it profoundly depressing to realise that so few people know what the filters…

Then go ahead and break it down.

Re: Go away Cameron – Bypass UK's porn filter

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Post by dobbsbob » Fri, Dec 20, 2013, 1:48 PM UTC

summerdown2 wrote: post #62

IanCal wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the EU convention lists internet access as a human right. They're not stopping you from accessing the internet, they're essentially just giving people access to filtering software.

I think the dystopian worry isn't that they're giving individuals access to filtering software. That would be a worthy goal. The real worry is that this system is Government controlled and built into everyone's internet connection. Personally, I'm expecting it to soon have three settings, not two: a) Family friendly browsing (opt-in) b) Access to more adult sites (opt-out) c) Blocking of whatever the government deems…

You forgot setting

d) blacking out communication during civil unrest

e) political blackmail of opposition

Re: Go away Cameron – Bypass UK's porn filter

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Post by 4ndr3vv » Fri, Dec 20, 2013, 1:51 PM UTC

RyanZAG wrote: post #94

dagw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what world is that a double standard??? Enjoying masturbation and sex toys while disapproving of pornography seems like a healthy and reasonable stance to take.

I initially assumed your comment was a joke of some kind - but I think you might actually be serious? Could you explain how it's reasonable?

Comeon, seriously? Do we need to talk about exploitation in the porn industry all over again?

Re: Go away Cameron – Bypass UK's porn filter

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Post by nl » Fri, Dec 20, 2013, 1:52 PM UTC

darkbot wrote: post #47

You can't beat politics with technology http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/18/peter-sunde-h...

Yeah, that's not actually what he says.

The exact quote is You can't beat politics with new technology all the time.

He goes on to argue that involvement in politics is important as well as technology.

Re: Go away Cameron – Bypass UK's porn filter

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Post by colinbartlett » Fri, Dec 20, 2013, 1:55 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #87

This thread elegantly demonstrates the problem. Most people - even in a technical audience with a deep interest in the subject - have no fucking clue what's actually happen nor how it's happening. This is how stupid laws get passed. People don't bother to write the correct letters to the correct people to get the stupid laws stopped. I find it profoundly depressing to realise that so few people know what the filters…

As an American, I haven't paid much attention to this until now. Can you please enlighten us?

Re: Go away Cameron – Bypass UK's porn filter

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Post by dingaling » Fri, Dec 20, 2013, 1:59 PM UTC

dingaling wrote: post #86

mschuster91 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC even the small providers have to implement filtering with the IWF blacklist, so there's no way to get a filter-free experience.

IWF membership is entirely discretionary on the part of the ISP. Even if the ISP is a member they don't have to implement the blocklist. ID Net is an example of this, I had an interesting exchange with one of the execs when I was a customer a few years ago. They were a member in order to 'monitor' trends but didn't use the blocklist. I don't see them listed as a member any more. https://www.iwf.org.uk/members/current…

As a follow-up to myself, it now appears to be IWF policy that members must implement the blocklist

https://www.iwf.org.uk/members/member-policies/url-list/test...

which presumably explains why some previous 'observer' members are no longer members.

Again, though, IWF membership is not mandatory for any organisation.

Re: Go away Cameron – Bypass UK's porn filter

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Post by dagw » Fri, Dec 20, 2013, 2:04 PM UTC

RyanZAG wrote: post #94

dagw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what world is that a double standard??? Enjoying masturbation and sex toys while disapproving of pornography seems like a healthy and reasonable stance to take.

I initially assumed your comment was a joke of some kind - but I think you might actually be serious? Could you explain how it's reasonable?

Pornography is not created in a vacuum. There is a large industry surrounding it and, at least according to some, some of the practices of parts that industry is troublesome.

There are also reasons to believe that watching porn might in some scenarios affect the viewer in negative ways that abstract sexual fantasy does not.

Reasonable people can of course disagree to the scope and accuracy of the above objections, but I'd consider neither fundamentally unreasonable.

Masturbation on the other hand is almost universally considered a normal and healthy part of adult sexuality.

Basically just because someone might find porn degrading to women or morally objectionable, doesn't mean they in any way oppose sex and their own sexuality.