Jolla phones now available for sale in Europe

Post by kintamanimatt » Thu, Dec 19, 2013, 7:55 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #25

kintamanimatt wrote: post #23

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It's not overstretching to have great marketing from the outset; it's almost mandatory. Tofu marketing from the get-go (especially on launch day) is a great way to nudge the company into the deadpool. If their financial limits proscribe marketing, their company will be gone and forgotten soon enough when their sales are lackluster and insufficient. Companies, new and established, just can't afford to be conservative…

> It's not overstretching to have great marketing from the outset Your general logic seems to circle around expecting massive sales and huge production mindset (where investment has to be compensated with millions of sales). Jolla has modest expectations for the starting stage, so massive marketing would be an overstretch. But it shouldn't be abysmal either, I agree.

Post by contextual » Thu, Dec 19, 2013, 8:22 PM UTC

Pxtl wrote: post #31

contextual wrote: post #4

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The Jolla UI looks and behaves similar to the Blackberry 10 OS, which is a good thing, and an improvement on Android and iOS. I have a Blackberry Z30[1] and I don't think I could go back to the "old way" of using a smartphone. BB 10 feels like a true smartphone experience, as subjective as that is. [1] http://ca.blackberry.com/smartphones/blackberry-z30.html

Which means it could face the one of the same challenges as BB10 - these global gestures are very demo-unit-unfriendly. You go to a store and pick up a BB10 device and you're freaking lost with no visible buttons or UI to use. A non-discoverable interface on a device this late to the party is not going to be good for market-share.

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 19, 2013, 9:09 PM UTC

Zigurd wrote: post #3

The Verge's reviewer didn't like it. I have yet to get my hands on one. It is strongly a "global gestures" UI. Some people like that as a way of enforcing consistency. That will have some possibly confusing effects on Android apps running in Myriad's compatibility environment. Also, the last time I looked at Myriad's technology, they were using their own Java VM, which means, at least,some kind of Dalvik to Java byte…

Post by pavlov » Thu, Dec 19, 2013, 9:13 PM UTC

Pxtl wrote: post #31

contextual wrote: post #4

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The Jolla UI looks and behaves similar to the Blackberry 10 OS, which is a good thing, and an improvement on Android and iOS. I have a Blackberry Z30[1] and I don't think I could go back to the "old way" of using a smartphone. BB 10 feels like a true smartphone experience, as subjective as that is. [1] http://ca.blackberry.com/smartphones/blackberry-z30.html

Which means it could face the one of the same challenges as BB10 - these global gestures are very demo-unit-unfriendly. You go to a store and pick up a BB10 device and you're freaking lost with no visible buttons or UI to use. A non-discoverable interface on a device this late to the party is not going to be good for market-share.

Post by vanderZwan » Thu, Dec 19, 2013, 9:15 PM UTC

shmerl wrote: post #33

kintamanimatt wrote: post #32

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No, it doesn't. My mindset in this case revolves around one thing: convincing people they should buy. Their sales and marketing, from what I've observed today, is so poor it fails to do the only thing it should: sell. I never said they should grow unsustainably and run out of cash, but my money is on them running out of cash anyway because their marketing is so poor it'll fail to drive the sales they need to keep the…

> Their sales and marketing, from what I've observed today, is so poor it fails to do the only thing it should: sell. How is it exactly, if they were serving all their preorders already? They don't seem to have the lack of demand atm.