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How can someone go off-web and anonymize themselves after a life online?

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Re: How can someone go off-web and anonymize themselves after a life online?

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I've become increasingly concerned with this topic. Looking back I feel incredibly stupid. When I was 16, I was 'paranoid' about computer security. I used gpg, would never dream of giving my real name to any website. I distrusted every website. Now I'm 31, and you can easily find 5 years of reddit comment history linked to my almost unique real name. Facebook has algorithms that can link my face to my real identity.…

You are oversimplifying. The thing is that it's good to be part of a community. Feels good to use your real name and it's only natural.

Facebook is an awesome service to find old friends, find new friends with the same interests, exchange visual info (sharing your baby's picture with your family) etc.

Being able to sync devices across is awesome. But try that outside Google/Apple and you're against a wall. Of course it can be done, but not for all applications etc.

Thing is that today's technology offers one hell of an options compared to ten years ago. But more than half of those comes with sharing your real data. Not just out of cunning CEO's or the NSA but out of pure functionality: If you don't use your real name in Twitter/Facebook how are other people suppose to find you?

Try keeping contact with friends via email. It's impossible, especially for the tech-unsavvy, while with facebook everything comes easy.

I would like to erase some of my online past, but it's not important. Not that much. What matters to me is:

* Remove all LEGAL powers for someone to harvest, sell, explore your data without me explicitly knowing about it.

* Prevent and heavily punish data abuse.

* Know the system[1]

[1] If you know how a system works (the internet, surveillance, etc) you can circumvent it, anytime. Tor will not help you if you use it to login into facebook. I mean, your enemy will know instantly that you're using TOR, your exit node etc. Being anonymous online, even without someone tailing you it's very hard but it can be done.

The problem with true online anonymity, is that it's not a one-time thing. It's a policy that needs you to be strict. No more forums, new fake emails all the time, registrations, etc. All of us can do that, but are we willing to do so??? I'm not.

We can't turn the clock back in time and undo what we did (except maybe if we are able to travel at light-speed... but that's not the point I guess). We have to focus on how to make governments and companies much more accountable about what they are doing. Many laws need extra elasticity (copyright) while others need to get much tougher (abuse of power by any authority).

Also some advancements at protocol level like user-predefine packet (path) routing, DNS and internet decentralization (away from USA), would not be a bad start.

Re: How can someone go off-web and anonymize themselves after a life online?

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post #5

The interesting thing about the answers given there, is that they seem to assume you can only have one identity at a time. Why not simply have multiple identities? Anonymising yourself then simply becomes a matter of picking a new name for yourself and never telling anyone what it is and never doing anything under that name. It's a pretty useless form of anonymity of course, but it does suggest that anonymity itself…

The problem is the ease at which the various identities can be identified as belong to the same person.

Very few people have the kind of processes that really protect that online personas from being uncovered.

It's non-trivial to ensure that you always associate cookies , IP addresses, browser signatures, behaviour... with one persona and yet never ever leak that to another.

Bear in mind that computers are so precise in their work here that you only need screw up once to burn that persona forever.

Pseudonymity is achievable, but unless you say nothing and participate in nothing anonymity is incredibly hard to achieve for a single persona.

Anonymity is exponentially harder to achieve when you have multiple personas.

And this is before you get into face recognition of photos, language analysis, gait analysis etc all attempting to to the real you from the very things that are harder to fake.

Re: How can someone go off-web and anonymize themselves after a life online?

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post #11
post #9

I've become increasingly concerned with this topic. Looking back I feel incredibly stupid. When I was 16, I was 'paranoid' about computer security. I used gpg, would never dream of giving my real name to any website. I distrusted every website. Now I'm 31, and you can easily find 5 years of reddit comment history linked to my almost unique real name. Facebook has algorithms that can link my face to my real identity.…

You are oversimplifying. The thing is that it's good to be part of a community. Feels good to use your real name and it's only natural. Facebook is an awesome service to find old friends, find new friends with the same interests, exchange visual info (sharing your baby's picture with your family) etc. Being able to sync devices across is awesome. But try that outside Google/Apple and you're against a wall. Of course…

I am a big advocate of fixing some of the problems of using real names online if possible.

Re: How can someone go off-web and anonymize themselves after a life online?

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post #9

I've become increasingly concerned with this topic. Looking back I feel incredibly stupid. When I was 16, I was 'paranoid' about computer security. I used gpg, would never dream of giving my real name to any website. I distrusted every website. Now I'm 31, and you can easily find 5 years of reddit comment history linked to my almost unique real name. Facebook has algorithms that can link my face to my real identity.…

Strange. I was considered paranoid up to the point when it became clear that I was right all the time. Now I have a kind of "let it go" feeling where I think: your main computer, name, location, interests and so on are probably gone already as well as those of my close relatives. So why bother? I now really think about getting an Facebook and some online shopping accounts...scary ;)

I have an separated and heavy encrypted off-line network for the stuff I really want to keep secret. That won't change ever because seperating data became a part of my life and I can live with that pretty good.

Re: How can someone go off-web and anonymize themselves after a life online?

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post #11
post #9

I've become increasingly concerned with this topic. Looking back I feel incredibly stupid. When I was 16, I was 'paranoid' about computer security. I used gpg, would never dream of giving my real name to any website. I distrusted every website. Now I'm 31, and you can easily find 5 years of reddit comment history linked to my almost unique real name. Facebook has algorithms that can link my face to my real identity.…

You are oversimplifying. The thing is that it's good to be part of a community. Feels good to use your real name and it's only natural. Facebook is an awesome service to find old friends, find new friends with the same interests, exchange visual info (sharing your baby's picture with your family) etc. Being able to sync devices across is awesome. But try that outside Google/Apple and you're against a wall. Of course…

It's impossible not to over-simplify without writing a 10,000 word essay on the topic.

I'm not advocating disappearing altogether. There's nothing wrong with keeping in touch with my friends on facebook, sharing the odd picture.

I do disagree that it feels good to use my real name. I wish I'd been more careful peppering my various accounts with references to my real name. I'd really love to be able to press a button and have zero results come up on google for my name.

Why on earth should you, random internet stranger, be a few clicks away from finding photos of my baby son on facebook? Who gave you the authority to know so much about me? Well, I did by sharing it in the first place.

Not that I have anything in particular to hide, but I feel very strongly that it should be me who's in control of that data.

I don't think it can be wholly solved by technology or by laws.

I think it can only be solved by behavioural changes in the way we use the web.

Re: How can someone go off-web and anonymize themselves after a life online?

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post #11
post #9

I've become increasingly concerned with this topic. Looking back I feel incredibly stupid. When I was 16, I was 'paranoid' about computer security. I used gpg, would never dream of giving my real name to any website. I distrusted every website. Now I'm 31, and you can easily find 5 years of reddit comment history linked to my almost unique real name. Facebook has algorithms that can link my face to my real identity.…

You are oversimplifying. The thing is that it's good to be part of a community. Feels good to use your real name and it's only natural. Facebook is an awesome service to find old friends, find new friends with the same interests, exchange visual info (sharing your baby's picture with your family) etc. Being able to sync devices across is awesome. But try that outside Google/Apple and you're against a wall. Of course…

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Re: How can someone go off-web and anonymize themselves after a life online?

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post #9

I've become increasingly concerned with this topic. Looking back I feel incredibly stupid. When I was 16, I was 'paranoid' about computer security. I used gpg, would never dream of giving my real name to any website. I distrusted every website. Now I'm 31, and you can easily find 5 years of reddit comment history linked to my almost unique real name. Facebook has algorithms that can link my face to my real identity.…

It wouldn't be the dumbest thing a kid ever criticised his parents for. Pretty close, though.

Re: How can someone go off-web and anonymize themselves after a life online?

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stop using the internet.

then get a fake identity in the same ways that have been possible for hundreds of years now...

that big trail of data on the internet is useless if it points nowhere.

what i never understand is why anyone wants to do this unless they want to do something wrong and get away with it. i also think we all collectively need to get over privacy - if its not about being caught out doing wrong things then all you get is embarassment potentially? i'm not sure i really understand...

i had to fill out a voter registration form recently, its a legal requirement and there was a big part of me that wanted to not do it on principle. however, weighing up the advantages of being a legal member of society over not quickly changed my mind...

Re: How can someone go off-web and anonymize themselves after a life online?

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post #2

Overheard in conversation at a security conference a few years ago: for many people, it's probably likely that the fingerprint you leave just by the top ten websites you visit is quite distinguishing. Given that - on top of all of the 'obvious' linkages that are out there (friends, email contacts, identity cards/numbers, payment methods), it's imaginable that for a 'suitably advanced' adversary, you have to be extrem…

I read that in the New York Times during the glory years of The War Against Terror. So yes, our friends at the NSA are on to that one already. So you could go to random cyber-cafes in a big city and still be stalked.

Obviously there is no evidence of them having apprehended an al-qaeda terror operative using this technique, mostly because there is no such thing as an al-qaeda terror operative.

However, there is writing analysis too, 'I'd' imagine that they know you use 'I'd' and you might want to start using 'I would' from now on just to foil their systems. Me, I am going to stop using the phrase 'The War Against Terror'...

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