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I love how people keep acting like Brazil is being somewhat evil here by trying to gain leverage...to stop us from constant illegal spying...Yep, super objectionable.
Nobody is saying it's evil or objectionable, they're just pointing out that it would be in Brazil's interest to exploit the issue. That's just how the world works.
Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
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#92A while back I came across this wiki article which is relevant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial_...
Long story short: while totally denying its existance the pact of USA, UK and many other countires spent billions of dollars to built sattelite-communication interceptinig facilities... while 99% of world's traffic moved into fiber optic undersea cables by 2006.
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#93I'm Brazilian. Here's my opinion: The reason they mention it was the NSA is because the government wants to capitalize on the anti-american commotion (and it's working). The real reason is that Boeing is a competitor to Embraer, so transfer of technology would be limited. Boeing simply had a worse, more expensive offer.
I wouldnt say "anti-american" but "anti-NSA".. And its pretty deserved, and im saying that also as a brazilian, cause: would you trust in the software, hardware and firmware of those after all we know about the NSA revelations? worse yet , if you think you dont have access to the source code, or to modify any part of it, as a pure blackbox.. Would you trust your country safety and security to something that its very…
Dilma is crazy to boost the government's image, internal and worldwide, making our country look like a bastion of freedom and democracy, when we both know it's none of that (unless you work for the government).
I agree with everything said about NSA, but we can't be naive to the fact this is going to be used as a PWMD (Political Weapon of Mass Destruction) to justify anything from now on.
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#94This is sickening. I live in Canada, and this directly affects a friend's family of mine considerably. Both my friend and his father are full time factory workers at a company called "Goodrich". They machine landing gear primarily for Boeing jets. This means less available-overtime at the very least (which many of the workers rely on), and possibly lost wage increases in the future. Who knows.
The only way they could have won this is if they lobbied enough for the Brazilians to look past the significant shortcomings of the Boeing aircraft. And I think even then their lack of cooperation when it comes to transfer of technology and offsets would have sabotaged the deal.
Brazil already has a very reliable civilian aircraft maker in Embraer, and they are looking to bootstrap them into defense through transfer of technology. Boeing never would have done that.
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#95Didn't Saab go under? Or was that just their automotive division?
Re: Saab wins Brazil jets deal after NSA spying sours Boeing bid
#96I'm Brazilian. Here's my opinion: The reason they mention it was the NSA is because the government wants to capitalize on the anti-american commotion (and it's working). The real reason is that Boeing is a competitor to Embraer, so transfer of technology would be limited. Boeing simply had a worse, more expensive offer.
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#98I don't see how NSA scandal should affect this deal. You dont snap such major deals because you want to insult someone. That is childish. However if Brazil believed that US manufactures might help NSA in planting backdoors, malware into their equipment they could have simply stated it more publicly and done even greater damage to American companies. The weapon manufacturers + US government nexus has changed world pol…
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#99Sounds like Brazil went with the low price leader (French comments were interesting) and didn't miss a chance to stick it in the eye of the US with a couple of anonymous quotes. If you follow the other logic it's pretty depressing "Yes, you had the better technology and were the preferred choice but we went with an inferior product because of spying and no that wouldn't make us feel really stupid if we get into a war…
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This is the plane that asphyxiates it's pilots remember... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/air-force-confirms-air-supply-pr...
It isnt the plane it is the vest. They were using a standard vest for a plane that can do things previous generations could not. Vector thrusting and some massive amount of thrust provided by those snazzy pratt and whitney F119 turbofans.
The F-22 can sustain high Gs for longer which exacerbated the problem with the BRAG valve.