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Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#151

Brian from Coinbase here. Sorry for the delay on that - definitely not the customer experience we are striving for. We should have things squared away for you by end of day. Edit: your bitcoin credit has now been processed. It looks like as we were performing server upgrades last week a handful of jobs didn't run as normal. We should have certainly caught it and responded sooner so that was our fault. My deepest apol…

because of your delay, he lost $13226.98 at current market rate: http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/177828-where-my-bitc... I hardly think $50 is going to make him feel happy.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#152

Brian from Coinbase here. Sorry for the delay on that - definitely not the customer experience we are striving for. We should have things squared away for you by end of day. Edit: your bitcoin credit has now been processed. It looks like as we were performing server upgrades last week a handful of jobs didn't run as normal. We should have certainly caught it and responded sooner so that was our fault. My deepest apol…

As a data warehouse engineer, I feel the frustration here. d'oh.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#153

Brian from Coinbase here. Sorry for the delay on that - definitely not the customer experience we are striving for. We should have things squared away for you by end of day. Edit: your bitcoin credit has now been processed. It looks like as we were performing server upgrades last week a handful of jobs didn't run as normal. We should have certainly caught it and responded sooner so that was our fault. My deepest apol…

Hopefully you are selling him the BTC at today's rate, and not at $868. This post is an admission of guilt on your part, so if you don't, he likely has a great case when he sues you (which I would, if I suffered a $12k loss like he just did).

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#154
post #151

Brian from Coinbase here. Sorry for the delay on that - definitely not the customer experience we are striving for. We should have things squared away for you by end of day. Edit: your bitcoin credit has now been processed. It looks like as we were performing server upgrades last week a handful of jobs didn't run as normal. We should have certainly caught it and responded sooner so that was our fault. My deepest apol…

because of your delay, he lost $13226.98 at current market rate: http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/177828-where-my-bitc... I hardly think $50 is going to make him feel happy.

And because of their delays, many others have made money on the transaction. They pay out at the market price of when the order was placed.

The OP thought it was worth it then, and bought them then.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#155

Brian from Coinbase here. Sorry for the delay on that - definitely not the customer experience we are striving for. We should have things squared away for you by end of day. Edit: your bitcoin credit has now been processed. It looks like as we were performing server upgrades last week a handful of jobs didn't run as normal. We should have certainly caught it and responded sooner so that was our fault. My deepest apol…

Lemme get this straight, Brian:

Rather than refunding the dollar value ($35,104.11) of the original, clearly botched transaction, you ended up giving him the 40 BTC at their current trading value (about $560), that is, for net a loss of $35,104 - $22,400 = $12,704?

And you think $50 plus a thank-you note(!) is enough to make him whole on this loss?

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#156
I get you're angry about the bad customer service but dude, you need to get off your high horse and realise you're not that special. I don't know who you are and don't care and googling you name doesn't come up with anything special. Get over your self, unless you're a real celebrity no one will care, even if your story made it on to tv (which I highly doubt).

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#157
post #65

> Now the real dilemma for me here is the fact that while CoinBase.com has locked in a price for me, because they have failed to deliver I cannot sell my coins at any rate. Bitcoins could drop down to $200, and only then might they deliver the coins. It's scary that they can literally guarantee constant wins for themselves by choosing how long to delay the delivery of Bitcoins to customers.

I don't think they're maliciously delaying the delivery of bitcoins. I just think they need to hire more customer support reps to deal with problems like these in a timely manner when they arise.

Well malicious intent could easily be proven, even if unintentional, depending on a few questions.

1. Was there really a delay because price could have slipped below what they quoted and they were hoping for a better rate before executing? If so, they committed an act of bucketing.

2. Next, if they tried executing a trade was it a limit order or a market order? It should always be a market order unless the client requests otherwise by specifying maximum entry price etc. Its still under the purview of bucketing.

3. Did they execute the transaction (or transactions in case of a fills on a market order) and fail to deliver due to a technical or human error? If yes, this could be classified under kiting and bucketing. Also they should have never quoted a rate unless the transaction took place, as this in itself means that the trade has been executed.

4. Did they segregate the funds until the transaction was complete or did they pool it with other funds that may have been used for other transactions (trades and withdrawals)? If they were not left untouched and were not segregated this would construe as kiting if only used for trades. Worst case it would be classified as a Ponzi-like operation.

Its quite easy to ensure that these illegal situations do not arise, it usually happens to good people with good intentions who have a lapse of judgement or loose control of their emotions and subsequently have a loss of common sense.

edit: formatting

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#158
post #94

To all of you who say that Bitcoin shouldn't be regulated - this is what it results in. If it was any regulated financial deal - say, purchase of stock or Yen - then there are clear rules on how to handle that, namely, you'd be entitled to at least compensation for any decrease between the 'locked' price at the agreed settlement date and the real settlement, whenever it may happen, and the interest for the period. Re…

From what I recall from when I worked in FX trading, settlement dates were set by contract and not by regulations. As an aside calculating settlement dates for currencies is actually pretty hard because different currencies have different rules, observe different holidays and roll-over differently. When calculating for a cross-pair you basically need to find the first settlement date which is a valid trading date for…

There's no problem with setting settlement dates - the original poster had a clearly agreed settlement date with Coinbase.

The problem is with risks and consequences of the counterparty failing to deliver on the settlement date.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#159
If you have serious money to transfer into BTC, this is not the way to go. Coinbase essentially is an intermediary, not a wallet. The whole point of Bitcoin is to get of intermediaries as are inefficient and make profits along the way. Bitcoin will solve this, it will just a take a couple of years. Btw, online-wallets neglect the working of the algorithm at some point. The system depends at the moment depends that people know what they are doing.

Re: Sent $35,104.11 USD to CoinBase. Never received Bitcoins

#160

Brian from Coinbase here. Sorry for the delay on that - definitely not the customer experience we are striving for. We should have things squared away for you by end of day. Edit: your bitcoin credit has now been processed. It looks like as we were performing server upgrades last week a handful of jobs didn't run as normal. We should have certainly caught it and responded sooner so that was our fault. My deepest apol…

Lemme get this straight, Brian: Rather than refunding the dollar value ($35,104.11) of the original, clearly botched transaction, you ended up giving him the 40 BTC at their current trading value (about $560), that is, for net a loss of $35,104 - $22,400 = $12,704? And you think $50 plus a thank-you note(!) is enough to make him whole on this loss?

Don't worry, based on their past behaviour I'm pretty sure they'd have managed to refund him the dollar value if the price of Bitcoin skyrocketed.
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