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Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Re: Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Post by nwh »

jwr wrote: post #16

iOS 7 is the first Apple system where I felt royally screwed. My iPhone 4 became so slow as to be nearly unusable. Everything now takes seconds, swipes are being missed, even audio gets chopped up when I play back podcasts over bluetooth. There are two reasons for me to be angry about this: * Apple should never have released iOS 7 for iPhone 4 devices. iPhone 4 should have been listed as "unsupported". But had they d…

If it's any consolation, it's bad on an iPhone 5s too. I get constant crashes, animation glitches that need a reboot to fix, it's just unusable and there's no way back to iOS6.

I've used it on an iPhone 4, and I don't know how anybody copes. It feels like my 3G was on 4.2.1.

Re: Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Post by chaosphere2112 »

VLM wrote: post #15

The original ipad can only be upgraded to iOS 5.1.1, I think. There are a couple implications. First of all schools (like where my kids go) that bit the apple and deployed ipads to all the kids can't install or upgrade software after February. So if you're selling apps to kids, get your profits while you can. After february if they spend all their budget on upgrading ipads to the latest hardware so they could eventua…

Requiring the build pipeline does not remove the ability to support old versions of iOS; see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6928203

Re: Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Post by nwh »

jbrooksuk wrote: post #19
jwr wrote: post #16

iOS 7 is the first Apple system where I felt royally screwed. My iPhone 4 became so slow as to be nearly unusable. Everything now takes seconds, swipes are being missed, even audio gets chopped up when I play back podcasts over bluetooth. There are two reasons for me to be angry about this: * Apple should never have released iOS 7 for iPhone 4 devices. iPhone 4 should have been listed as "unsupported". But had they d…

Have you tried http://downgradeios7.com/ ? I don't know if it really works, but I've heard that people have had luck going backwards — not sure how though.

What you've linked to is a scam.

You can't unless you have an A4 device with an exploitable bootrom or SHSH blobs saved. You can't "downgrade" in a browser like that, it's completely impossible.

Re: Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Post by rootinier »

jwr wrote: post #16

iOS 7 is the first Apple system where I felt royally screwed. My iPhone 4 became so slow as to be nearly unusable. Everything now takes seconds, swipes are being missed, even audio gets chopped up when I play back podcasts over bluetooth. There are two reasons for me to be angry about this: * Apple should never have released iOS 7 for iPhone 4 devices. iPhone 4 should have been listed as "unsupported". But had they d…

Wait for iOS 7.1, which should be released in the coming weeks. It fixes most of your problems and will hugely improve performance.

iOS 7.1 beta 2 feels like what iOS 7 should have been from the beginning.

Re: Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Post by CookWithMe »

VLM wrote: post #15

The original ipad can only be upgraded to iOS 5.1.1, I think. There are a couple implications. First of all schools (like where my kids go) that bit the apple and deployed ipads to all the kids can't install or upgrade software after February. So if you're selling apps to kids, get your profits while you can. After february if they spend all their budget on upgrading ipads to the latest hardware so they could eventua…

App optimized for iOS 7 != App only runs on iOS 7

In most cases, the developer just has to recompile the app and include iOS 7. Of course it get's a lot more tricky if one wants to start using new APIs introduced in iOS 7, and that's why most devs will drop support for older versions.

Re: Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Post by glasshead969 »

VLM wrote: post #15

The original ipad can only be upgraded to iOS 5.1.1, I think. There are a couple implications. First of all schools (like where my kids go) that bit the apple and deployed ipads to all the kids can't install or upgrade software after February. So if you're selling apps to kids, get your profits while you can. After february if they spend all their budget on upgrading ipads to the latest hardware so they could eventua…

Building apps against iOS 7 SDK doesn't mean apps can't run on older versions of iOS.

Re: Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Post by cstejerean »

klaustopher wrote: post #14
nwh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users can now install older versions that are compatible, but you can't update them anymore once you go past that point.

Any sources for that? I stil haven't fount any info if you can update old versions of your app

It's been announced a while back, for example here https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=9182013a

"Previous versions of your apps are now available for re‑download by users who have already purchased them, allowing customers to use your apps with older devices which may no longer be supported by the current version of your app. If you do not wish to make these versions available, you can manage the availability of your apps' previous versions in the Rights and Pricing section of the Manage Your Apps module in iTunes Connect."

Re: Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Post by dak1 »

jwr wrote: post #16

iOS 7 is the first Apple system where I felt royally screwed. My iPhone 4 became so slow as to be nearly unusable. Everything now takes seconds, swipes are being missed, even audio gets chopped up when I play back podcasts over bluetooth. There are two reasons for me to be angry about this: * Apple should never have released iOS 7 for iPhone 4 devices. iPhone 4 should have been listed as "unsupported". But had they d…

As an iPhone 4 owner and longtime Apple owner (owned a Mac since 1988 when I was 5 years old and typing this on a 15" rMBP) I wholeheartedly agree.

It's really beyond shocking how badly the iPhone 4 works with iOS7 as compared to iOS6. I'm not sure it can really be adequately explained - you just have to try it for yourself. Even switching to the camera from the lock screen is nearly impossible at times.

I've recently been looking into downgrading the OS back to 6, but I'm probably out of luck since I don't have the SHSH blobs and APTickets for the older firmware.

Apple really needs to fix the performance issues for iPhone 4 owners or provide a supported way to downgrade to iOS6 (Note: Sibling noted that iOS7.1 fixes the issue... I really hope that's the case).

Re: Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Post by mikeash »

kevingadd wrote: post #2

Doesn't requiring the new build pipeline plus 'optimized for iOS 7', mean you can't support most older iOS devices anymore? I know that is how the build pipeline stuff worked for desktop OS X apps - they tended to deprecate the ability to build for older OS versions when you installed the latest rev of XCode. If so, how far back does it go? Like, if I compile an iOS7 optimized app, will it work on iOS6 devices? What…

My copy of Xcode 5 supports Mac OS X deployment targets back to 10.4. Presumably the only reason it doesn't go any farther than that is because nothing prior to 10.4 ran on Intel, and Xcode doesn't ship PowerPC compilers these days.

On the iOS side, my copy of Xcode 5 supports deployment targets back to iOS 4.3. I think that may be similar to the reason for stopping at 10.4, but with ARMv6/7 instead of PowerPC/Intel.

Re: Starting Feb 1, new apps and app updates must be optimized for iOS 7

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Post by tannerc »

CookWithMe wrote: post #25
VLM wrote: post #15

The original ipad can only be upgraded to iOS 5.1.1, I think. There are a couple implications. First of all schools (like where my kids go) that bit the apple and deployed ipads to all the kids can't install or upgrade software after February. So if you're selling apps to kids, get your profits while you can. After february if they spend all their budget on upgrading ipads to the latest hardware so they could eventua…

App optimized for iOS 7 != App only runs on iOS 7 In most cases, the developer just has to recompile the app and include iOS 7. Of course it get's a lot more tricky if one wants to start using new APIs introduced in iOS 7, and that's why most devs will drop support for older versions.

This needs to be highlighted more here.

Support for iOS 7 can complicate things, but for -- I'd estimate -- 75%+ of developers it's simply tweaking a few things and then releasing an app that continues to support v5.0 and up at the very least.

This isn't as dramatic an announcement as some are making it out to be. Though maybe it should be, as the way to encourage both consumers and developers to stay up-to-date is to force them into it with limited support.

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