List of minimalist frameworks • Hacker News Board

Re: List of minimalist frameworks

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Post by girvo » Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 4:11 AM UTC

lkrubner wrote: post #27

I know this issue has been brought up many times before, but to some extent the existence of a framework suggests a lack of composability in the language being discussed. This gets discussed a lot in the context of Clojure, where people new to Clojure often ask, "Where are the frameworks?" The more meta-programming that a language allows, the more its functions will tend to be composable. The more composable it is, t…

Surprisingly PHP with Composer, coupled with type hinting and interfaces allows you to achieve what you're discussing. It's how I write web apps now -- small libraries, classes that expect interfaces, and unit testing. It's great - no frameworks!

Re: List of minimalist frameworks

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Post by girvo » Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 4:14 AM UTC

euphemize wrote: post #22

Missing quite a lot of PHP ones. For instance, tinyMVC is great if you want to learn how MVC works with PHP.

Hah, I wrote an ActiveRecord plugin or TinyMVC back in the day. Should be in the forums still. Nostalgia!

Re: List of minimalist frameworks

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Post by girvo » Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 4:15 AM UTC

dep_b wrote: post #17

I really liked Slim. It just wasn't convoluted or giving an improvised feel like Laravel or WordPress and many other PHP frameworks.

I use Slim, Idiorm, and PHPUnit to build all my projects :)

Re: List of minimalist frameworks

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Post by owenversteeg » Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 5:02 AM UTC

Ooh yay! My CSS framework Min is the smallest of them all!

http://minfwk.com

Re: List of minimalist frameworks

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Post by granttimmerman » Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 5:15 AM UTC

Number of minimalist frameworks for Java: 1

Re: List of minimalist frameworks

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Post by secoif » Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 5:26 AM UTC

lkrubner wrote: post #27

I know this issue has been brought up many times before, but to some extent the existence of a framework suggests a lack of composability in the language being discussed. This gets discussed a lot in the context of Clojure, where people new to Clojure often ask, "Where are the frameworks?" The more meta-programming that a language allows, the more its functions will tend to be composable. The more composable it is, t…

A fantastic example of this (in javascript) is trending right now on hackernews – myth.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6923141

Look at this implementation: it's just a composition of a bunch of other libraries. no logic at all. This is how it should be: https://github.com/segmentio/myth/blob/master/index.js#L37-L...

Re: List of minimalist frameworks

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Post by xs_kid » Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 5:28 AM UTC

sunny1304 wrote: post #24

i dont think you can call Pardino a minimalist framework.

agree padrino is pretty near to Rails, what's the criteria used to determine if a framework is minimalist or not?

Re: List of minimalist frameworks

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Post by stickhandle » Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 5:46 AM UTC

Spark (http://www.sparkjava.com/) is the java sinatra

Re: List of minimalist frameworks

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Post by baddox » Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 6:38 AM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #4

Isn't "minimalist framework" a contradiction? It seems like if you were going for minimalism you would not use a framework.

But there must be a smallest framework, right? I would call the x% smallest frameworks "minimalist."

Re: List of minimalist frameworks

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Post by downboy » Wed, Dec 18, 2013, 6:53 AM UTC

AndyKelley wrote: post #4

Isn't "minimalist framework" a contradiction? It seems like if you were going for minimalism you would not use a framework.

It's intention refers more to an easy-to-use, low overhead and already-written solution, because people either don't understand or don't want to invest the time anymore.