The future of PHP, at a distance
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The future of PHP, at a distance
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Re: The future of PHP, at a distance
#2From my understanding, if the day ever comes where the official PHP engine is switched to HHVM, it would catapult performance past Python and Ruby in pretty much all scenarios.
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#3I think this is very true:
"There were a bunch of old devs opposed to adding this documented "processes", saying that "open source is about fun and processes kill the fun". But to me that was always shining through that argument was that there is always an implicit process and that process is usually ideal for the current people "in power"."
Jo Freeman has an essay called "The Tyranny of Structurelessness" which focused on how this issue (lack of explicit process) played out in left-wing political movements in the 1970s, and she does a great job of explaining how the lack of explicit process allows those with implicit power to keep control of things.
http://www.bopsecrets.org/CF/structurelessness.htm
"Contrary to what we would like to believe, there is no such thing as a “structureless” group. Any group of people of whatever nature that comes together for any length of time for any purpose will inevitably structure itself in some fashion. The structure may be flexible; it may vary over time; it may evenly or unevenly distribute tasks, power and resources over the members of the group. But it will be formed regardless of the abilities, personalities, or intentions of the people involved. The very fact that we are individuals, with different talents, predispositions, and backgrounds, makes this inevitable. Only if we refused to relate or interact on any basis whatsoever could we approximate structurelessness — and that is not the nature of a human group."
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#4Not at all related to the post and/or content, but that domain name is awesome.
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#5In what universe does Python and Ruby's alternative implementations have significant market share?
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#6The only advantage of using PHP in my eyes is: incredible cheap and hassle-free hosting for beginners. If you change something when introducing HHVM to the masses, then you would have a game-breaker.
If you can afford/achieve anything better than "drag'n'drop" your "index.php" there, and open your browser to "test if it works", do it.
Except, of course, you have to maintain tons of legacy stuff already written in PHP.
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#7In what universe does Python and Ruby's alternative implementations have significant market share?
In the real universe we live in, JRuby, at least, has fairly wide adoption, and YARV, which started out as one of the alternative implementations, became the mainline implementation (and, at least for a while, it was widely speculated the same thing would eventually happen with Rubinius.)
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#8Kinda wish they would drop backwards compatibility once in a while.
I get why they don't but that's why PHP is just the most popular mediocre language.
There should be scheduled non backwards compatible releases for every language (say every 10 years) that's the only way they can improve and not just get replaced when better ones come along.
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#9Kinda wish they would drop backwards compatibility once in a while. I get why they don't but that's why PHP is just the most popular mediocre language. There should be scheduled non backwards compatible releases for every language (say every 10 years) that's the only way they can improve and not just get replaced when better ones come along.
Python did that, and now everyone loves to hate it.
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#10google app engine now supports PHP and they completely reimplemented the language. it is extremely fast and seems to already do all the things this story eludes might happen.... they already have.