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The Surprising Reason We Have a 40-Hour Work Week

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Re: The Surprising Reason We Have a 40-Hour Work Week

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The article makes it sound as though the eight hour work day was a gift from the bosses to the workers; or an attempt to make them better consumers. The truth is that thousands of workers died in a world wide struggle for humane working conditions during the 19th century. In Chicago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair In 1921 bombs were dropped on striking coal miners in West Virginia: https://en.wikipedi…

It's one of the greatest legacies of the US unions. E.g. May Day as the international day for workers demonstrations came about largely in recognition of the sacrifices of the Haymarket Massacre, and thanks to the AFL reiterating it's commitment to the 8 hour day by planning new demonstrations for May 1st 1890.

Re: The Surprising Reason We Have a 40-Hour Work Week

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post #17

Putting in time is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for progress. In a modern tech business, there is an endless supply of things that could be improved, and available human resource is the limiting factor. I find that having a roughly fixed number of hours of work is useful in the long run to balance burnout from working too many hours against not working to your full potential. My productivity per hour go…

If you were paid per hour, at some point the marginal increase in productive work got for the hour would be swamped by the fixed costs of just hiring another person and getting some 'fresh' hours out of them.

Re: The Surprising Reason We Have a 40-Hour Work Week

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post #16

The article makes it sound as though the eight hour work day was a gift from the bosses to the workers; or an attempt to make them better consumers. The truth is that thousands of workers died in a world wide struggle for humane working conditions during the 19th century. In Chicago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair In 1921 bombs were dropped on striking coal miners in West Virginia: https://en.wikipedi…

Less than 100 years ago, this stuff happened. Far out. I truly can't comprehend the strikebreakers getting away with... Well, cold blooded murder. Massacres. It's horrible.

Another well-known example of violence against striking workers in the US is the Ludlow massacre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

Re: The Surprising Reason We Have a 40-Hour Work Week

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It is strange that the author attributes the eight-hour workday to Henry Ford's business strategy. It had been a demand raised by workers themselves from much earlier: “Eight hours labour, Eight hours recreation, Eight hours rest.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day

Yeah, shame that for most people the time they need for eating, household chores and commute cut only into the recreation/rest hours, and often do so enough that there's very little recreation left.

Re: The Surprising Reason We Have a 40-Hour Work Week

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Where on earth did the author find this revisionist nonsense?

The 40-hour work week was won after a bitter decades-long fight by workers and unions against business owners.

The idea that Ford bestowed it upon a grateful staff to improve capitalism is wrong, pointless and insulting.

Here's an article in favour of shorter workdays that takes history a little more seriously: http://www.iww.org/history/library/misc/Bekken2000

Re: The Surprising Reason We Have a 40-Hour Work Week

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> Because we have different energy levels at different times,

> it would be counterproductive for my co-founders to work at

> 9AM (just like it would be inefficient for me to be

> working at 2AM).

Here in The Netherlands, this is a tough sell. It's hard to come by a company that REALLY implements this policy. I've heard the "Just put in your 8 hours" and it often will have the side-clause "But we would like you to put them in as we do".

Even at my previous company, where we were not customer-bound, and most of our contacts were in the U.S. It made sense I'd come in later, and work later.

But they didn't see it that way, and got in a lot of fights with management about it. They didn't "see" all the hours I often put in late nights at home, only the next day I might got in the office with a full day without conversions ..

There were a few people who would make jokes or "annoyed complaints" to management about me coming in a few hours later than them. Being a misfit is often met with ill repute.

  Man, being at work at 11:00 AM instead of 9 made all the difference for me:
- I got my social time in, which was most of the time late nights at the bar, or at the Dojo.

- I didn't get upset when I had to talk to contacts in the U.S. when they'd come online around 17:00-18:00 or discussing technical implementations even later.

- Our peak hours were U.S. targeted even, so I was having NewRelic sessions every some other night around 23:00-02:00.

Obviously, every next day when there were server/app outages, I would tell about my 3 hour fit to optimize query x by a factor 100. But in the end these moments seemed to be lost to management quite easily. They will remember the times you will come in late though..

I was putting in 50 hours in a 40 hour week.

For these reasons I now freelance :) I enjoy working in start-ups and with people in general. I think a lot of talent is left on the table by companies because they can't adapt to how developers are generally wired a bit different than other people ..

Some people need strict guidelines to be able to trust they put in the 8 hours. For me that comes naturally with having fun and sense of responsibility and being trusted.

Re: The Surprising Reason We Have a 40-Hour Work Week

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Where on earth did the author find this revisionist nonsense? The 40-hour work week was won after a bitter decades-long fight by workers and unions against business owners. The idea that Ford bestowed it upon a grateful staff to improve capitalism is wrong, pointless and insulting. Here's an article in favour of shorter workdays that takes history a little more seriously: http://www.iww.org/history/library/misc/Bekke…

It's interesting how truth gets so easily distorted in collective consciousness.

Henry Ford reportedly had a couple of intuitions about his workers also being consumers of his products, so now every time you look at any aspect of the consumerist society, some people will assume that Ford must have thought of that.

Also, you can't talk about socialism in polite society, right? So the whole history of worker-rights movements in XIX and XX century is "forgotten" and concepts are shifted to the next available historical subject.

This is why the practice of historical research is so important, so progressive, and so underfunded. Whoever controls the past, controls the future.

Re: The Surprising Reason We Have a 40-Hour Work Week

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Where on earth did the author find this revisionist nonsense? The 40-hour work week was won after a bitter decades-long fight by workers and unions against business owners. The idea that Ford bestowed it upon a grateful staff to improve capitalism is wrong, pointless and insulting. Here's an article in favour of shorter workdays that takes history a little more seriously: http://www.iww.org/history/library/misc/Bekke…

Agree, nearly spit my coffee out. Such a disregard for history.

Re: The Surprising Reason We Have a 40-Hour Work Week

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post #3

What you do is important, not the hours I agree, but do you know what changed my life for the better with respect to work and home without changing the hours? I stopped watching television.

Television was one the first in the series of productivity destroying mechanisms. Today there are things like Youtube, Facbook, Twitter and what not! If not that, there are new time wasting methods- Reddit, HN, Slashdot. Where you can have meta discussions all day.

Television to me is the least distracting of them all.

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