Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are we sure this isn't fiction? I'm caught between, "People can't actually be this stupid" and "At least one person has to have been this stupid, otherwise they would have stopped long ago."
Remember, this was a decade ago. What were you doing then? 419 scams weren't nearly as widely-known at the time. I'm not suggesting you would have been duped, but lots of normals had no idea about these criminials. For instance, spam filtering wasn't a common part of life for most consumers with a PC.
I Flew to Lagos and Got Beaten Up Because of a Nigerian Email Scam
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#102He was selling a used car on Craigslist and had received interest from someone who was willing to buy it sight unseen but would also need it shipped as they weren't local (single biggest red flag on Craigslist). They were going to mail a check for the cost of the car and extra so that my dad could pay the delivery people that were to come pick the car up the following week.
By this point he had already also given them his phone number and home address so they would know where to pick it up.
They actually mail him the check for a couple grand which happened to belong to Mr. & Mrs. Smith of a neighboring small town. Mysterious buyer had indicated they were located no where near said town. Instead of cashing the check, he manages to save him self by giving the Smith's a call as their home phone was on the check.
Turns our the Smiths had lost their checkbook. I haven't heard the story in a while, I can't remember if they were already working with the police on another fraud check or if they were just recently alerted to their problem. Mysterious buyer/car delivery guy was about to make off with a grand or so and a car.
My dad gave everything he had on the buyer to the local police. I don't believe they were ever tracked down. Totally missed a good sting opportunity in my opinion.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Now maybe my brand of Christianity was pretty unusually wacko (Lutherans are the real nutters right? Total extremists, rivals of those Westboro chaps really... /s) , but I am pretty sure they explicitly endorsed homebrew divination. The idea that you could "do it yourself" is actually a rather central concept to that particular brand of religion, though instead of tea leaves it used sore knees...
Divination or guidance? Saying "Please God, help know whether to take the job in Cleveland when I wake up" and then sleeping on it was probably acceptable. "Please God, let me roll snake eyes if I should move to Cleveland" is probably less acceptable.
The only difference is that mainstream Christianity blesses one method, and derogatorily refers to the other methods as witchcraft or divination.
Different religions all have their own forms of blessed divination, and forbidden divination, and they all assert that their blessed methods are fundamentally different from the others, but it is all the same stuff.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Divination or guidance? Saying "Please God, help know whether to take the job in Cleveland when I wake up" and then sleeping on it was probably acceptable. "Please God, let me roll snake eyes if I should move to Cleveland" is probably less acceptable.
There is no fundamental difference here. Clasping your hands, asking a god for guidance in your head, then interpreting your own thoughts as the advice of a god is really no different from asking a god a question, putting your hands on a Ouija board, letting the ideomotor effect do its thing, then interpreting the output of the ideomotor effect as the word of your god. The only difference is that mainstream Christian…
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#105In other words, I don't think the lesson is about the dangers of replying to emails - it's about the dangers of hooking up with gangsters when you're not a seasoned gangster yourself.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are we sure this isn't fiction? I'm caught between, "People can't actually be this stupid" and "At least one person has to have been this stupid, otherwise they would have stopped long ago."
Remember, this was a decade ago. What were you doing then? 419 scams weren't nearly as widely-known at the time. I'm not suggesting you would have been duped, but lots of normals had no idea about these criminials. For instance, spam filtering wasn't a common part of life for most consumers with a PC.
Yes, she is a "normal."
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#107Even given proof that I have no reason to doubt, I am still find hard to believe there's an educated and, judging from the writing, reasonably intellectually capable person that can genuinely believe there's a Nigerian official in Lagos that would reach out to random stranger to seek help with stealing a million dollars. And then he has a friend who, being told everything and asked for the plane ticket money, didn't…
I can believe a corrupt official would reach out to a random person for help, just not that they would have any intention of honoring the bargain. I'd be worried about being killed as a loose end more than anything.
Why is that? I would have thought that a corrupt official would be reaching out to his cronies, friends, cousins, etc. when he needed help with a scam.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
My favorite quote on the matter: "The president of the United States has claimed, on more than one occasion, to be in dialogue with God. If he said that he was talking to God through his hairdryer, this would precipitate a national emergency. I fail to see how the addition of a hairdryer makes the claim more ridiculous or offensive." (Note: don't take my quoting of Sam Harris as an endorsement of him in general. I ha…
"everybody" knows God is omnipotent (and omnipresent). He can hear your prayers without the hairdryer amplification, which the President should surely know. Using a hairdryer to communicate implies that the President believes in a God that cannot hear unamplified prayers; i.e. the President doesn't believe in the "real" God.
Looking at it from the outside, there's no serious difference.
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#109"All right, if I win a game of hearts with less than 15 points, I’ll do it" -- please!
I used to love baiting the 419ers; I would redirect their inquiries to a throwaway hotmail account where I would draw them out with silly questions and comments. Usually it would not last much beyond 3-4 emails, though; they seem pretty good at sniffing out a baiter.
419eater.com is excellent, and there are or were a couple of other good collections out there, some really funny exchanges. In one, this (supposedly) dumb American flew to some town in Thailand instead of Nigeria, and the Nigerian got so mad he cursed and told him to go to hell. So much for that scam!
Sadly, I took down my scam baiting correspondence after I applied to a job with a Scottsdale networking company and their "security guy" did a google search that netted these exchanges. "You need to list these as relationships with foreign entities," he scolded. "Huh? It's just a joke, they might be in Florida for all I know." Nope. No sense of humor. They withdrew the job offer which was just as well; a very large bullet did I dodge that time!
More recently Nigerians, or similar folk, have been posting fake ads on Craigslist. A couple of years ago when we were looking for an apartment, I came across an unbelievably good deal, a huge luxury condo in Newton, Mass., for like $700 a month. It sounded just too good to be true; I contacted them and asked if it was a typo. They said in slightly less good English than in the ad that, no, it's not a typo, and they're going on some sort of mission to Africa for two years (uh oh, here it comes!) and needed a good reliable person to rent their home. Sniffing a scam, I decided to test them by mentioning that we had a pet howler monkey, but not to worry, he's very quiet and well behaved (howler monkeys are in fact considered the loudest land animals) and they didn't bat an eye, so I continued embellishing: he does sometimes fly into fits of rage and throw things, but for the most part he's pretty well house trained. When can we move in? But they stopped writing back.
People do get suckered, but usually it's because they are quite gullible, or lonely, or desperate, or some combination thereof. The character in the vice.com story had all of those qualities in abundance, making the story that much more believable, and he threw in quite a few details that seem factual enough, but overall things just didn't add up.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
"everybody" knows God is omnipotent (and omnipresent). He can hear your prayers without the hairdryer amplification, which the President should surely know. Using a hairdryer to communicate implies that the President believes in a God that cannot hear unamplified prayers; i.e. the President doesn't believe in the "real" God.
Right, so "magic" is acceptable as long as it's "magic we endorse". Looking at it from the outside, there's no serious difference.