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Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

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Sounds to me like the difference between IT and IS. You're either "the IT guy" or you work in IS doing real things. Not just rebooting a managers PC and installing printer drivers.

Are you posting from the 90s?

Helpdesk, desktop support/field service, and Geek Squad still exist. You tend not to see developers or architects doing that work for a living.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

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I think it comes down largely to what you know, and if you can show it. I don't have a degree and I have a great job. I also get contacted usually multiple times a week about jobs. I maintain some open source projects, I have an active SO profile, Github profile, blog and I keep LinkedIn up-to-date. That seems to be enough. Regardless of whether you have a degree or not those are all valuable things that can show what you know and help your career a lot.

I just don't think you need a degree if you know what you're doing.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#63

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Are you posting from the 90s?

Helpdesk, desktop support/field service, and Geek Squad still exist. You tend not to see developers or architects doing that work for a living.

Wait, so people think "IT" means desktop support? Network architect is IT. Sysadmins, network admins, "devops" (remember when they were called sysadmins?) are all IT.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

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Here's my advice. First, some context. I have degrees in math and experience in computing. I am now part-owner of an established company, and occasionally we recruit. The following is my experience based on some successful hires, some unsuccessful hires, and many, many CVs and interviews. When I look as a CV I want to know what value you'll bring to my company. I want to know why you'll be worth the money I'll pay yo…

Interesting! I'm building a way for people to apply for tech jobs by showcasing their experience, and skills backed up with evidence (www.accredible.com - just posted a Show HN after seeing this thread. Edit: reached the front page!). It sounds like your hiring thought process matches this philosophy!

The challenge with all these things is to make sure that the evidence hasn't been faked. That's why we end up asking people to do some simple tasks in house, before then even considering proper pairing sessions on real work. We had a candidate who actually surreptitiously did a "phone a friend" wile allegedly producing some trivial code to do something FizzBuzz-like.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#66
I attended college for 3 years at which point I dropped[0] out to work full time at the web dev company I was working part time at. I will be starting my 3rd job (In the tech field, I left college for my second tech job) on January 2nd.

I have people constantly telling me I should get my degree (Older friends/family) and the ones who don't bug me about it often say things like "But he will eventually...". That said I have not yet had it hold me back in the tech field as all of the places I have talked to care more that I can do what they need than if I have a piece of paper. About a year and half after dropping out I have ZERO regrets, I am now seeing my peers who stayed in school complain about not being able to find jobs (on FB and the like) while I have had no problems at all finding a places that will hire me.

The thing to remember is to never stop learning. Some of my peers (both in school and at where I work) see finishing college as the end of having to learn where it couldn't be further from the truth.

[0] http://joshstrange.com/why-i-canceled-my-college-subscriptio...

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

#69
Yes, absolutely. It's not what someone's degree makes of them, but what they make of their degree. Conversely, getting a tech job without a degree is based on always building a track record of results, output, and experience. Same thing for degree guys.

In a way without a degree, you may have more lee way in the types of interesting projects you can put on your LinkedIn.

The bottom line is, always be building, and always be shipping something to show what you can do. Technology is one area where one's education isn't as relevant as the ability to learn anything, in a self-directed and self-teaching way.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to get a tech job without a degree?

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I have one semester of college, in which I took psychology and political science. I've worked as the lead network architect for a large ISP, as a developer and then lead developer of a network security tool, as a security researcher (I have a pretty decent cite record and a fun list of universities with courses that have taught papers I wrote), as a 2-time startup founder, the first of which was VC-funded, as a lead…

Awesome advice, thanks.

> Math didn't matter much in my first 10 years or so, but it matters a lot to me now

Can you please expand on what kind of math matters a lot to you and your work now?

> I would pay a lot of money to be taught serious linear algebra and calculus instead of hacking and slashing my way through the subject on my own.

Why not just take it at a univ. then?

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