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NSA Coworker Remembers Edward Snowden: "A Genius Among Geniuses"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The basis for his genius appears to be the opinion of his colleague, which you're free to accept or reject. If his colleague's claims are to be believed, his activities and accolades within the NSA would be sufficient record of his computing security experience. Not everyone has to publish a white paper or open a GitHub account in order to be taken seriously.

When people are labeled geniuses, independent evidence is important, especially when they've become a cause célèbre. Geniuses generally have a body of work to stand on, not just a friend/family/colleague opinion.

Body of work? Perhaps you may have heard about his NSA leaks?

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The difference between Snowden and other NSA employees is that Snowden is the real U.S. patriot, not just government worker.

I don't understand that. Why is doing the right thing somehow "patriotic"? You don't need to "love your country" to want to make it a better place.

A patriot does for his country what its government will not, or cannot.

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If there is one thing that we should all be taking away from the Snowden episode, it is the fact that all human activities are utterly arbitrary. We decide to live in a free society, and then we do the things necessary to live in that society as we have defined it should be.

The definition keeps changing. One minute, its just not a free society unless you can keep slaves, the next minute its not a free society unless women vote, the next .. well, you get the point. Society is only as good as it declares its intentions and then carries them out; nowhere, alas, in the entire miasma of American law, is there the requirement that one has to always try their best to do well, and to operate on the principle of the greater good - in face of all opposition.

This too, is arbitrary, and the point where it becomes reality instead, is when an individual voice in the crowd stands up and says "this is how things should be!", gaining a little more volume than everyone else, and getting a bit more agreement, in the face of all the worlds cannibalism, that it might be good to cook things slightly differently.

Snowden, and others out there working in their own, utterly non-arbitrary ways, are always going to be necessary to remind us that just when you think you are safe, because status quo, the new safe realm is the as-yet completely unexplored ..

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Nothing in that piece to suggest Snowden was a "A Genius Among Geniuses"...on what basis does his genius rest? AFAIK there is no record of Snowden doing any kind of work out there that'll suggest he knew anything about computing security. It seems people have forgotten that there are a ton of freely available computer security tools out there that any body can take and do a lot of damage with.

It's a character reference from a co-worker, not a declaration of objective fact.

>It seems people have forgotten that there are a ton of freely available computer security tools out there that any body can take and do a lot of damage with.

I used to think that sort of thing would be noticed pretty quickly at the NSA. Nowadays, I am not so sure.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand that. Why is doing the right thing somehow "patriotic"? You don't need to "love your country" to want to make it a better place.

Probably the other way around. If you do something for the people of a country you're patriotic.

Hm, national patriotism seems shortsighted in the post-modern age. Can we please be global patriots in the age of Internet and global communication and commerce?

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Snowden differs from many of the whistleblower ilk in that there is nothing to dislike about his character (yet). The media have not dished any dirt, none of his friends/family/ex-lovers have came forward with anything untoward about him and he hasn't shown any signs of being deluded. Even if you try your hardest to 'believe', a lot of whistleblowers have been deluded one way or another. They can be overly indoctrina…

Probably why he has been compared pretty frequently to Daniel Ellsberg -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg

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Snowden differs from many of the whistleblower ilk in that there is nothing to dislike about his character (yet). The media have not dished any dirt, none of his friends/family/ex-lovers have came forward with anything untoward about him and he hasn't shown any signs of being deluded. Even if you try your hardest to 'believe', a lot of whistleblowers have been deluded one way or another. They can be overly indoctrina…

> Snowden differs from many of the whistleblower ilk in that there is nothing to dislike about his character (yet).

... and because the leaks related to issues that outraged most people. It's easy to understand the concerns regarding spying, and most people have a visceral negative reaction. It's much more difficult to elicit that type of response to, say, human rights violations that don't directly affect most Americans.

In this case, I think that the media is siding with the people (more viewers / ad revenue). If this were any other type of leak, without the same populism, the media most likely wouldn't be as "friendly". There is dirt, but it hasn't been brought to light because it wouldn't sell well (who wants to bash the guy who told us that the NSA is spying on us?)

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Nothing in that piece to suggest Snowden was a "A Genius Among Geniuses"...on what basis does his genius rest? AFAIK there is no record of Snowden doing any kind of work out there that'll suggest he knew anything about computing security. It seems people have forgotten that there are a ton of freely available computer security tools out there that any body can take and do a lot of damage with.

He could configure sharepoint AND backup systems. May not seem like much but in a federal government department that's like being Jesus and, I don't know, Buddha at the same time.

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The basis for his genius appears to be the opinion of his colleague, which you're free to accept or reject. If his colleague's claims are to be believed, his activities and accolades within the NSA would be sufficient record of his computing security experience. Not everyone has to publish a white paper or open a GitHub account in order to be taken seriously.

When people are labeled geniuses, independent evidence is important, especially when they've become a cause célèbre. Geniuses generally have a body of work to stand on, not just a friend/family/colleague opinion.

Independent evidence is clearly going to be thin on the ground if he was doing work for the NSA. As mentioned before, it's the opinion of his co-worker. Now that co-worker may have been an incompetent and saw everything that Snowden did as 'genius'. Or, it may be the case that he really was one. Who knows, but at least it's a slightly different viewpoint on the thing.
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