Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen • Hacker News Board

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by selmnoo » Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 2:51 PM UTC

anu_gupta wrote: post #45

selmnoo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You just justified the attacks on her, which was the entire point of the article, saying that no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation. No, he didn't. I have a daughter who I instruct to dress in a way that covers most of her body. This does not mean that I am justifying rapes that happen because some lustful men are aroused by scantily-clad women, it simply means I observed and recognized the reality…

> I have a daughter who I instruct to dress in a way that covers most of her body. Honestly, you couldn't make stuff up like this if you tried. Amazing.

Is today 'purposely misread/ignore the point of posts and make a flippant content-less one-line reply' day or something? I'm a strong supporter of affirmative action programs, I go out of my way to get women and girls interested in programming, and I consider myself to be a feminist. I'm interested in getting results, and making practical and smart decisions for the day-by-day happenings.

As for you - please stop being this way, stop with the snippy replies, stop polarizing the crowds, what you're doing is unproductive. Step away from the keyboard and think about what you're doing here.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by knowitall » Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 2:56 PM UTC

EliRivers wrote: post #3

mschuster91 wrote: post #2

As much as I can't stand a lot of the ultra-extremist feminists out there in the internet, this kind of behaviour (doxxing, cyberhunting) is beyond unacceptable, it's dangerous to society. Anyone who ever has engaged in "slut shaming" or whatever the current term is for hunting down/doxxing activists, please go, take a 9mm and shoot yourself. And to Google/FB: please, make it possible for victims of doxxing/cyberhunt…

What is an ultra-extreme feminist? Given that feminism is the advocation of social and political equality twixt genders, what is extreme feminism? What's the difference between social and political equality, and extreme social and political equality? How can two things that are equal be even more equal?

"Given that feminism is the advocation of social and political equality twixt genders"

sigh - that's not really what feminism is... But no point to argue on HN. Just, maybe, keep your mind open next time you read feminist texts, and look for the real message.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by amirmc » Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 2:56 PM UTC

michaelochurch wrote: post #49

marquis wrote: post #36

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>she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. You just justified the attacks on her, which was the entire point of the article, saying that no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation. She was studying sociology and gender theory. As a woman I appreciate it when other woman have the courage to write about their lives in public, it enriches our own understanding…

You just justified the attacks on her, which was the entire point of the article, saying that no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation. No. I think she was immature and probably mentally ill. Biological mental illness deserves compassion and treatment, not vitriol from anonymous cowards. I'm not saying that the attacks on her were justified. I'm saying they were predictable . I live in Baltimore. I'm in…

> "But that's not the world we live in, now is it?"

Neither is it the world we aspire to. Taking an attitude of 'Well, what did you expect?' Is never going to improve anything.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by vezzy-fnord » Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 2:57 PM UTC

mschuster91 wrote: post #11

seivan wrote: post #7

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Those feminists who hate Trans-people. They are the ultra-extreme feminists.

Such feminists exist?! Please tell me you're joking. That's even more horrifying than Alice Schwarzer...

All kinds of feminists exist. Valerie Solanas and Luce Irigaray should have thought you that.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by gaius » Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 2:59 PM UTC

selmnoo wrote: post #51

anu_gupta wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a daughter who I instruct to dress in a way that covers most of her body. Honestly, you couldn't make stuff up like this if you tried. Amazing.

Is today 'purposely misread/ignore the point of posts and make a flippant content-less one-line reply' day or something? I'm a strong supporter of affirmative action programs, I go out of my way to get women and girls interested in programming, and I consider myself to be a feminist. I'm interested in getting results, and making practical and smart decisions for the day-by-day happenings. As for you - please stop bei…

If you were to say, don't walk through the ghetto flashing your Rolex or you might be mugged, no one would consider that a controversial statement, not a justification for mugging.

It's only when sex is involved that people get a little weird.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by vezzy-fnord » Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 3:00 PM UTC

gaius wrote: post #14

EliRivers wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is an ultra-extreme feminist? Given that feminism is the advocation of social and political equality twixt genders, what is extreme feminism? What's the difference between social and political equality, and extreme social and political equality? How can two things that are equal be even more equal?

Here you go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luce_Irigaray See her views on general relativity and fluid dynamics (both of which are apparently inherently sexist).

The sad part is a lot of contemporary feminists on the web think in very similar terms as this crackpot. They're histrionic and have discarded all forms of critical thinking in favor of their emotions. This type of thinking, which is not motivated by facts and reason, leads to statements like those of Irigaray.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by sneak » Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 3:03 PM UTC

stefantalpalaru wrote: post #46

> [...] self-medication with alcohol, recovery from an eating disorder and crushing desire to be liked. All standard stuff for a college student. Really? That's what passes for "standard" in a prestigious (and probably very expensive) Ivy League school?

This is standard in almost every American environment where people 15-25 hang out.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by aestra » Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 3:05 PM UTC

michaelochurch wrote: post #34

Lena Chen and Kathy Sierra shouldn't be mentioned in the same article. Kathy Sierra was attacked for being female . She did nothing that would cause people to attack her, except for being a successful woman. It was disgusting, unprovoked, and utterly wrong. Lena Chen didn't deserve what happened to her, but she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. She ran a blog calle…

>She ran a blog called Sex and the Ivy. I'm sorry, but if you write a blog whose title says, "I'm in the most privileged 2% of the population, I have lots of sex", you're putting a target on yourself. Maybe the world shouldn't be that way, but it is.

If you replace "she" with "he" then there's no issues there. No target.

Please don't engage in this "she shouldn't have done that" bullshit. Its cause of assholes like you that when women get sexually assaulted they don't come forward. They don't want to be told they deserved it. That's what you just did, if you know it or not. They don't want to be the ones on trial for falling out of line of social ideals of female, because thats what happens.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by vezzy-fnord » Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 3:05 PM UTC

anu_gupta wrote: post #45

selmnoo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You just justified the attacks on her, which was the entire point of the article, saying that no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation. No, he didn't. I have a daughter who I instruct to dress in a way that covers most of her body. This does not mean that I am justifying rapes that happen because some lustful men are aroused by scantily-clad women, it simply means I observed and recognized the reality…

> I have a daughter who I instruct to dress in a way that covers most of her body. Honestly, you couldn't make stuff up like this if you tried. Amazing.

Do you keep your door locked? Yes? Why should you? After all, it's not you who needs to guard your property, it's the thieves who should be told to stop stealing!

This is the exact same logic a lot of contemporary postmodern feminists use in arguments concerning rape. It's not about bondage and discipline, it's about risk management.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by sneak » Sun, Dec 15, 2013, 3:05 PM UTC

michaelochurch wrote: post #34

Lena Chen and Kathy Sierra shouldn't be mentioned in the same article. Kathy Sierra was attacked for being female . She did nothing that would cause people to attack her, except for being a successful woman. It was disgusting, unprovoked, and utterly wrong. Lena Chen didn't deserve what happened to her, but she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. She ran a blog calle…

> Lena Chen didn't deserve what happened to her, but she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. She ran a blog called Sex and the Ivy. I'm sorry, but if you write a blog whose title says, "I'm in the most privileged 2% of the population, I have lots of sex", you're putting a target on yourself.

Please don't be an asshole to people on HN.