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Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by smtddr »

michaelochurch wrote: post #34

Lena Chen and Kathy Sierra shouldn't be mentioned in the same article. Kathy Sierra was attacked for being female . She did nothing that would cause people to attack her, except for being a successful woman. It was disgusting, unprovoked, and utterly wrong. Lena Chen didn't deserve what happened to her, but she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. She ran a blog calle…

>>Lena Chen didn't deserve what happened to her, but

Is the same as...

>>I'm Not Saying She Deserved To Be Raped, But...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/joseph-dibenedetto-...

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by scotty79 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #22
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #18

> A lawsuit was always an option. Websites aren't liable for what their users do, but it’s possible to subpoena for the identity of your online harasser and haul him or her into court on civil charges like defamation or intentional infliction of emotional distress. But Chen and Hamm didn’t want to spend more time, money or energy on the problem. They just wanted it to go away. A lawsuit is precisely how you make it "…

The internet is relentless, and as soon as you hit foreign jurisdictions, you're bound to fail. Governments, the MAFIAA and dozens other organizations have tried and failed for over a decade to shut down TPB - do you really think a mere human stands the chance to ever stop the Internet from trolling her?!

Who's harrasing her and her associates and defenders is probably single semi-skilled no-life. You don't need courts. You need a single decent hacker to dox the guy, order him some weed on silkroad successor and call the cops on him.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by selmnoo »

marquis wrote: post #36
michaelochurch wrote: post #34

Lena Chen and Kathy Sierra shouldn't be mentioned in the same article. Kathy Sierra was attacked for being female . She did nothing that would cause people to attack her, except for being a successful woman. It was disgusting, unprovoked, and utterly wrong. Lena Chen didn't deserve what happened to her, but she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. She ran a blog calle…

>she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. You just justified the attacks on her, which was the entire point of the article, saying that no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation. She was studying sociology and gender theory. As a woman I appreciate it when other woman have the courage to write about their lives in public, it enriches our own understanding…

> You just justified the attacks on her, which was the entire point of the article, saying that no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation.

No, he didn't. I have a daughter who I instruct to dress in a way that covers most of her body. This does not mean that I am justifying rapes that happen because some lustful men are aroused by scantily-clad women, it simply means I observed and recognized the reality of the situation, and realized that dressing in a certain way reduces the chance of an incident. The fact that there are men out there who are unable to control their urges is a separate thing (that we of course should be talking about as a society). Likewise, michaelochurch made an observation on what is a good strategy to reduce the chances of being hurt. He explicitly went on to mention that he wishes the reality of things weren't this way.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by anu_gupta »

michaelochurch wrote: post #34

Lena Chen and Kathy Sierra shouldn't be mentioned in the same article. Kathy Sierra was attacked for being female . She did nothing that would cause people to attack her, except for being a successful woman. It was disgusting, unprovoked, and utterly wrong. Lena Chen didn't deserve what happened to her, but she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. She ran a blog calle…

Excellent display of sympathy for the "39% [of men] who have been led astray into casual misogyny". Those poor weak lambs, unable to think for themselves.

Anyway, congratulations on reaching the upper tiers of the HN victim blaming elite. Achievement unlocked and all that.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by anu_gupta »

selmnoo wrote: post #43
marquis wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. You just justified the attacks on her, which was the entire point of the article, saying that no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation. She was studying sociology and gender theory. As a woman I appreciate it when other woman have the courage to write about their lives in public, it enriches our own understanding…

> You just justified the attacks on her, which was the entire point of the article, saying that no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation. No, he didn't. I have a daughter who I instruct to dress in a way that covers most of her body. This does not mean that I am justifying rapes that happen because some lustful men are aroused by scantily-clad women, it simply means I observed and recognized the reality…

> I have a daughter who I instruct to dress in a way that covers most of her body.

Honestly, you couldn't make stuff up like this if you tried. Amazing.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

> [...] self-medication with alcohol, recovery from an eating disorder and crushing desire to be liked. All standard stuff for a college student.

Really? That's what passes for "standard" in a prestigious (and probably very expensive) Ivy League school?

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by danso »

betterunix wrote: post #35
danso wrote: post #30

So doing a Google search for the subject's former boyfriend (the one wrongly accused of rape, just by association with her), this Blogger post still lies as the third highest http://patrickhammscandal2.blogspot.com/2010/12/how-patrick-... It strikes me as pretty obvious link-abuse, the kind that I thought Google's algorithm would squash, but apparently not. It's good practice to own your own name and domain...but in…

"It's good practice to own your own name and domain" Good luck with that. Subdomains make that basically impossible; even large, established corporations with big branding budgets have difficulty with this. The real problem here is that people still think that if they see something written down, it must be true. People might as well be reading The Weekly World News, though the kind of harassment described here would…

You're absolutely spot on...the problem is that we often don't have time or motivation to challenge what we see...which is why headline-writing can so easily color opinions of an entire article body. Even in this case, even when I knew this blog post was part of a smear campaign, some reflex in me instinctively mused, "Hmm, maybe this guy is bad...look at all the words devoted to him".

Now imagine any given employer or background-checker seeing this, without the context of the OP...what are the chances that they'll be skeptical of the smear campaign?

But because as humans, we have limited time/energy/patience...computers and sound algorithms really are one of our best allies in rooting this kind of thing out. I'm just surprised that Google's ranker hadn't already flagged this...It's a single-post blog with a circle-jerk of links to other single-use blogs, with the kind of keyword stuffing that was common in the AltaVista days...and I'm pretty sure the text is verbatim from other such smear sites. Isn't that enough penalty to take the site down from the top of the SERPs?

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by michaelochurch »

marquis wrote: post #36
michaelochurch wrote: post #34

Lena Chen and Kathy Sierra shouldn't be mentioned in the same article. Kathy Sierra was attacked for being female . She did nothing that would cause people to attack her, except for being a successful woman. It was disgusting, unprovoked, and utterly wrong. Lena Chen didn't deserve what happened to her, but she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. She ran a blog calle…

>she courted the attention in a way that a mature and psychologically sound woman wouldn't. You just justified the attacks on her, which was the entire point of the article, saying that no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation. She was studying sociology and gender theory. As a woman I appreciate it when other woman have the courage to write about their lives in public, it enriches our own understanding…

You just justified the attacks on her, which was the entire point of the article, saying that no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation.

No. I think she was immature and probably mentally ill. Biological mental illness deserves compassion and treatment, not vitriol from anonymous cowards.

I'm not saying that the attacks on her were justified. I'm saying they were predictable.

I live in Baltimore. I'm in a nice neighborhood. Two miles north of me? Dangerous urban decay. I should be able to walk around at 3:30 am in any part of the city-- any part of the world, really-- without fearing physical harm. But that's not the world we live in, now is it?

no attacks are justified, regardless of the situation.

I can agree with this.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by colanderman »

scotty79 wrote: post #42
mschuster91 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet is relentless, and as soon as you hit foreign jurisdictions, you're bound to fail. Governments, the MAFIAA and dozens other organizations have tried and failed for over a decade to shut down TPB - do you really think a mere human stands the chance to ever stop the Internet from trolling her?!

Who's harrasing her and her associates and defenders is probably single semi-skilled no-life. You don't need courts. You need a single decent hacker to dox the guy, order him some weed on silkroad successor and call the cops on him.

Yes, vigilante justice is a great way to solve problems.
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