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Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by betterunix »

EliRivers wrote: post #5
mschuster91 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm referring to the kind of people like Alice Schwarzer, who thinks for example that all prostitution is inherently bad for the women and that there cannot be anyone working in prostitution out of his/her own will, or those "womyn" folks who think they have to change the word "woman" because it contains "man"... this is just ridiculous. Also, by providing just-for-women courses in tech, for example, you're creating…

Well that's not feminism. Sounds like someone who wants to discredit feminism has hung a whole lot of other things on it, hoping to slur feminism by association.

"Well that's not feminism"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by mschuster91 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #18

> A lawsuit was always an option. Websites aren't liable for what their users do, but it’s possible to subpoena for the identity of your online harasser and haul him or her into court on civil charges like defamation or intentional infliction of emotional distress. But Chen and Hamm didn’t want to spend more time, money or energy on the problem. They just wanted it to go away. A lawsuit is precisely how you make it "…

The internet is relentless, and as soon as you hit foreign jurisdictions, you're bound to fail. Governments, the MAFIAA and dozens other organizations have tried and failed for over a decade to shut down TPB - do you really think a mere human stands the chance to ever stop the Internet from trolling her?!

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by EliRivers »

betterunix wrote: post #21
EliRivers wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well that's not feminism. Sounds like someone who wants to discredit feminism has hung a whole lot of other things on it, hoping to slur feminism by association.

"Well that's not feminism" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman

What can I say. All I have is a stack of dictionaries to check. Your beloved Wikipedia itself begins its feminism article "Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights" which agrees with the dictionaries I have and also with the simple definition I used above. If you think that using that definition means I'm guilty of No True Scotsman, our methods of rationality are so far apart that we are literally incapable of communicating.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by kaoD »

EliRivers wrote: post #9
brazzy wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Given that feminism is the advocation of social and political equality twixt genders, what is extreme feminism? People who don't define it that way. Or people who (as in pretty much any controversity) feel compelled to see everyone who doesn't agree with them as an enemy to be taken down.

People who don't define it that way. Well, if we're going to just redefine words we can say anything. I hate those ultra-vegetarians insisting that static typing is the only way to go. In the face of people redefining words to mean whatever they want, all I can do is suggest that without a clear definition, communication becomes meaningless anyway because I will just redefine "feminist" to mean "a kind of blancmange…

The goal for some self-proclaimed feminists is not gender equality, but raising women above men. They still call themselves feminists for political reasons, so some deserve the hate.

The problem is real feminism got stained.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by kaoD »

mschuster91 wrote: post #19
mikecane wrote: post #17

This article ties in with the recent Block change on Twitter. See all that vile material posted? Now imagine having that tweeted to you on a daily basis from multiple fake accounts. This is why the change to Block mattered. Because of vile driven sociopaths of the type displayed in that article.

You as the victim can't see the stuff any more. May help your psyche, but it doesn't stop other twitterers or Google indexing the stuff.

IIRC Google does not index Twitter.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by makomk »

EliRivers wrote: post #5
mschuster91 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm referring to the kind of people like Alice Schwarzer, who thinks for example that all prostitution is inherently bad for the women and that there cannot be anyone working in prostitution out of his/her own will, or those "womyn" folks who think they have to change the word "woman" because it contains "man"... this is just ridiculous. Also, by providing just-for-women courses in tech, for example, you're creating…

Well that's not feminism. Sounds like someone who wants to discredit feminism has hung a whole lot of other things on it, hoping to slur feminism by association.

The first one - thinking that all prostitution is inherently bad for the women and that there cannot be anyone working in prostitution out of his/her own will - is basically a mandatory part of being feminist here in the UK. Essentially every major feminist activist organisation thinks this way, and they refuse to accept groups or individuals who disagree as feminists. If you go looking for a feminist group near you, you'll find a list set up by UK Feminista, a joint effort between all the major feminist organisations which refuses to list any group which doesn't think this way. Oh, and they're the feminists who have all the contacts in the press, which they use to smear women who disagree with them.

Interestingly, I've basically never seen anyone refuse to accept feminists who think this way as feminists, except when it's inconvenient for some argument they're making about feminism being all sunshine and roses and equality. The net effect of this is that nominally reasonable feminists - like presumably yourself - are actually supporting these extremists by protecting them from criticism.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by [deleted] »

mikecane wrote: post #17

This article ties in with the recent Block change on Twitter. See all that vile material posted? Now imagine having that tweeted to you on a daily basis from multiple fake accounts. This is why the change to Block mattered. Because of vile driven sociopaths of the type displayed in that article.

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Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by VMG »

chris_wot wrote: post #6

I remember when I was an administrator on Wikipedia, many years ago, there was a website called Perverted-Justice (PeeJ, I think). There was some sort of dispute about it, I can't recall what it was about. However, my online identity and a lot of other admins were accused of paedophillia. When I had pointed out that I had severely curtailed a number of people from the then "Boy Love" article (ew), they retracted it f…

I think that's why it is important to own the search results for your real name, and the domain names.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by betterunix »

EliRivers wrote: post #23
betterunix wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Well that's not feminism" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman

What can I say. All I have is a stack of dictionaries to check. Your beloved Wikipedia itself begins its feminism article "Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights" which agrees with the dictionaries I have and also with the simple definition I used above. If you think that using that definition means I'm guilty of…

Take another look at the definition you cited. Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining...equal political, economic, and social rights. All you are doing is excluding people whose definitions of "equality" you think are too extreme using a classic No True Scotsman argument.

Re: Sex, lies and the Internet: The tale of Lena Chen

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Post by danso »

So doing a Google search for the subject's former boyfriend (the one wrongly accused of rape, just by association with her), this Blogger post still lies as the third highest

http://patrickhammscandal2.blogspot.com/2010/12/how-patrick-...

It strikes me as pretty obvious link-abuse, the kind that I thought Google's algorithm would squash, but apparently not. It's good practice to own your own name and domain...but in his case, the victim's own Harvard bio page is ranked lower than this one-use blog

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