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24th Birthday: What it’s like to be 24 for a Software Engineer in India

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Re: 24th Birthday: What it’s like to be 24 for a Software Engineer in India

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Post by kika »

babby wrote: post #6
jalan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the constructive advice, will work on the points you mentioned. Glad you enjoyed the post though!

It's great that you can take criticism. I've interacted with quite a few Asians online who literally believe their English is perfected, yet their written words read like they are proper idiots. Your English is pretty great though, in comparison. I think you will find you will gain a good deal more respect among fluent English speakers and programmers alike when you master the language.

> who literally believe their English is perfected,

There's no one to blame except yourselves, Americans (I speculate here). Especially in Bay Area or any other melting pot. You speak language remotely resembling English? We can understand you without "Say it again, please?" every 10 seconds? THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!! Only if you know how hard it is to solicit a style/grammar correction from an average IT engineer/manager. Oh, ah, it's so rude to correct someone (even if the person explicitly asks for this). So far I was able to convince only one my friend to correct me (and it wasn't completely free - he is learning Russian and wants the same from me).

Re: 24th Birthday: What it’s like to be 24 for a Software Engineer in India

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Post by derrida »

babby wrote: post #6
jalan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the constructive advice, will work on the points you mentioned. Glad you enjoyed the post though!

It's great that you can take criticism. I've interacted with quite a few Asians online who literally believe their English is perfected, yet their written words read like they are proper idiots. Your English is pretty great though, in comparison. I think you will find you will gain a good deal more respect among fluent English speakers and programmers alike when you master the language.

You are commenting on someones English from India. Remind me to do that to a Canadian, American or South African next time. India has the second most English speakers of any country in the world. It's an official language.

Re: 24th Birthday: What it’s like to be 24 for a Software Engineer in India

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Post by jalan »

askar_yu wrote: post #12

I have to ask - what's up with the " Steve Bhagavat Gita "?

To answer this question, I wrote an entire blog post, explaining how Steve affected my life - http://techapj.com/thank-you-steve/

In short, I think of "Steve Jobs Stanford Commencement Speech" as a modern approach to "Bhagavat Gita".

Re: 24th Birthday: What it’s like to be 24 for a Software Engineer in India

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Post by Retric »

kika wrote: post #4
_random_ wrote: post #2

"IMHO work quality is severely underrated in India, everything just needs to be done, the end quality does not matter, it should just work, that's enough" - this fact about Indian software development is well-known throughout the world.

Honestly I think that there's nothing national in this. It's just because the majority of the development work in India is being done in outsourcing. When you outsource you rarely pay for 'quality code', you pay for the code that works, delivered on time and preferably below the budget. Okay, you get what you're paying for. Having said that I realize that this is a vicious cycle - young developers can write good code…

There are two kinds of outsourcing. One where say IBM comes in defines the requirements and builds a solution that's expencive but can produce quality or outright fail. The other is where you define the requirements and hand it off to a third party, that can be relatively cheep and generally produces something, but you often end up with crap code because the developers have little incentive to deliver quality and little understanding of the underlying business requirements. Indian firms focious on the second type which harms there reputiation but IMO it's not unfair when your considering doing that type of outsourcing to know what your getting into.

PS: Which is not to say there not a lot of great Indian programmers just it's really hard to write or learn how to write high quality code when programming to an seemingly arbitrary spec. Sill it's a huge country so there is a fair amount of internal demand which is often forgotten about.

Re: 24th Birthday: What it’s like to be 24 for a Software Engineer in India

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Post by annasaru »

jalan wrote: post #10
s-topper wrote: post #9

>>>> 98% of Indian Population have not even heard the word "Github" in their entire life, yet everyone acts like they know this stuff What kind of logic is it? Are 98% of Indian population software engineers? Why do they need to know about GitHub?

You haven't mentioned the complete sentence => "98% of Indian Population have not even heard the word "Github" in their entire life, yet everyone acts like they know this stuff". The problem is "They try to act" like they know about software industry, meanwhile when you try to explain them that you are working on some open source project, they refuse to respect your opinion.

But 98% of US population, or 90% maybe - have never heard of github either.

Re: 24th Birthday: What it’s like to be 24 for a Software Engineer in India

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Post by Nano2rad »

You have to say software engineer, not programmer, engineer has to be included. It is like spying. If you work in a famous company, people could guess your salary. If you work for yourself, many things are unknown about you which irritates people. On the other hand people do business and does not reveal income to avoid paying taxes.
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