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The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder

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Re: The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder

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(Using a throw away account because of the stigma) For those who are curious if ADHD is real? I can tell you, from my personal experience, it is. I grew up with it all my life. It is hell. Then I randomly decided to try Paleo (cutting out gluten, sugar, grain and caffeine). And my ADHD is gone. I can focus, my mental fog is lifted, my lethargy is gone, I have the ability to enjoy normal activities. * My personal Proo…

Same experience with me. As soon as I stopped eating sugars and processed foods and cheap grains, I felt like 200% better. I think clearer, I sleep better, I can focus, I'm not bored ever.

I find it perplexing that we accept eating substances called medications affects brain chemistry, but eating substances called food doesn't.

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Here's a brilliant idea—help a person by framing their issues as personal and moral failures. That's sure to be a positive catalyst for change. EDIT: For some reason I can't respond to the comment below. My point was, it's easy to frame problems with terms like "weak", "irresponsible", and "lazy". It's hard to actually attempt to communicate, identify a problem in a way that you can talk about the same thing, and fin…

> Here's a brilliant idea—help a person by framing their issues as personal and moral failures. That's sure to be a positive catalyst for change. You're being sarcastic, but it actually IS. We live in a culture where everything is a disorder. How convenient, that all of your failures can be blamed on something you don't control. Here's an idea. Everything you don't take responsibility for. Everything you don't see as…

I really don't have the time or energy to deal with people like you right now, so how about I just link to a comic that expresses the basic gist of it: http://iwastesomuchtime.com/on/?i=84287

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I don't know. I just don't know. I earned a perfect score on the SAT and was voted "Class Genius" in the yearbook, but barely graduated from high school. I was dismissed from university. I went to work for a machine learning company, where we (self included!) did some really neat stuff, including some heroic pre-sales-meeting coding that saved the day in a minor way. But I was fired six months in for low productivity…

This is an honest post, thanks for sharing. I am confused by something though. I have only (to my knowledge) known one person that got a perfect score on the SAT. The reason is that it requires both reasoning as well as 'stamp collecting'--(i.e. book knowledge). If you didn't bother to learn all the obscure vocabulary words used on the SAT that most high schoolers don't know--(extol, capricious, etc.)--then you must'…

I also got 1600. I read a lot. In high school (many years ago) I made a game of starting my math homework when the teacher started collecting it, and usually finished in time. I got very used to skimming by. I did graduate from university, but it was by the skin of my teeth. Other than that, OP's experience was very similar to my own. Depression played a huge role in all of this.

(I'm doing fairly well now, but it was a bumpy road.)

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I don't know if I really have ADD. There's no real physiological test for it, just self-assessments and the rejection of the null hypothesis upon the introduction of various drugs. What I do know: until I started treatment for ADD, the entire concept of "willpower" or "motivation" just didn't make sense to me. It was something other people had, maybe; or perhaps they were lying. But with treatment, "motivating myself…

Huh? There are most certainly proper tests for ADD, of all of types and varieties. It is unfortunate that self reporting is the most frequently used diagnostic technique, but it is by no means the only one. Heck there are structural brain differences in people with ADHD that can be detected!

> Heck there are structural brain differences in people with ADHD that can be detected!

Though not on an individual level, as far as I know. But studies on larger groups have shown differences from non-AD(H)D scans (source: I once saw a Youtube video with a semi-bald psychiatrist (?) with ADD.)

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This is an honest post, thanks for sharing. I am confused by something though. I have only (to my knowledge) known one person that got a perfect score on the SAT. The reason is that it requires both reasoning as well as 'stamp collecting'--(i.e. book knowledge). If you didn't bother to learn all the obscure vocabulary words used on the SAT that most high schoolers don't know--(extol, capricious, etc.)--then you must'…

I also got 1600. I read a lot. In high school (many years ago) I made a game of starting my math homework when the teacher started collecting it, and usually finished in time. I got very used to skimming by. I did graduate from university, but it was by the skin of my teeth. Other than that, OP's experience was very similar to my own. Depression played a huge role in all of this. (I'm doing fairly well now, but it wa…

Did the same thing with homework in one math class, but my teacher would start at random positions in the classroom...overall, didn't work out to a very high grade for me :)

Re: The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder

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(Using a throw away account because of the stigma) For those who are curious if ADHD is real? I can tell you, from my personal experience, it is. I grew up with it all my life. It is hell. Then I randomly decided to try Paleo (cutting out gluten, sugar, grain and caffeine). And my ADHD is gone. I can focus, my mental fog is lifted, my lethargy is gone, I have the ability to enjoy normal activities. * My personal Proo…

This is very intriguing, thanks for posting. I might give this a shot soon. I'd very much like to not need to take amphetamines to be able to focus.

Re: The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder

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I think the underlying problem with our society's approach to mental health, is that people are still too judgmental.

Mental health simply creates a category of people who are immune from judgement on certain issues. Not that there is no stigma associated with mental illness, but the categories are "sold" as relieving the person from other people's unfair judgements. Even if other people still judge, at least the diagnosed person knows for themself that the judgement is unfair.

But this is really just a hack. If a person tends not to concentrate easily, we should take that as the base fact in itself. Rather than trying to make a false distinction between a failure of character or willpower, and something outside of people's control, we should be accommodating of people's abilities, and focus on helping people to achieve the best no matter what the source of their learning problems.

Of course there is one issue that is harder to deal with this way, and that is academic assessment. I think the solution to this is for academic assessment to measure as closely as possible the skills that the trained person should be able to implement. Time constraints are a part of any work, so I think providing extra time for people with ADD is unfair, but in general exams shouldn't place an excessive focus on speed or time management.

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I don't suffer from ADD/ADHD but I grew up during the 90's, when lots of kids in school, around me, were being put on all kinds of prescription medication, but most prevalent were the ADD/ADHD prescriptions. Of the roughly 20 names I can remember, who I know for a fact were prescribed ADD/ADHD medications, AND who I knew growing up both before the medication and after, there was only one guy that obviously had proble…

> weak-willed Can you provide a definition for this? I'm fucking sick of people going through this process: 1. Struggle to understand someone's problem. 2. Give up. 3. Blame the victim. If you see a problem, fix it. But nothing in your comment was at all helpful for the same people you were criticizing. This may come as a shock to you, but people struggle from different problems than you do. Some of them may seem eas…

I would actually be happy if people even went through the 3 steps. More often it will just be: Can't identify with someone's problem - blame the victim.

Side note: The poster's username is 'negativity' after all :-)

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