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Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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Re: Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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post #98

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Hanlon's Razor probably applies here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

Stupidity and malice are frequently indistinguishable by an outside observer.

Hmmmmmmm, perhaps, but I'd suggest that:

Stupidity is negligence. Negligence is selfish. That makes it malicious. Its willful which ever way one chose to spin it.

IMHO, such phrases are not much different to ones like "what do you have to hide?". They are designed to look like one thing, confuse and win a point, while hiding the fact that something appalling is going on. Its the language of confusion to control.

Its too easy to be allowed to hide behind a false concept of stupidity. Too convenient.

Re: Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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You can sell a pluggable device, no need to produce the whole phone

A pluggable device doesn't offer the same experience as having a physically built-in keyboard.

You're right, it's better, since you don't have to sacrifice screen area for the keyboard

There were Android phones with keyboards. I had the chance to play with a prototype in 2009 (yes, this was after the iPhone)

Not good. Not good at all.

Re: Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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A pluggable device doesn't offer the same experience as having a physically built-in keyboard.

You're right, it's better, since you don't have to sacrifice screen area for the keyboard There were Android phones with keyboards. I had the chance to play with a prototype in 2009 (yes, this was after the iPhone) Not good. Not good at all.

You don't have to sacrifice screen space for a physical keyboard... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/DROID_3.j...

That form factor is fine, although not popular with consumers. I had a Droid 2 for a while, and found myself using the soft-keyboard more and more, particularly while not using connectbot.

Re: Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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post #92

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That's partially because developers are somewhat incentivized to "front-load" their permissions. If you think there's even a chance you might use a permission, even if your app doesn't currently use it, ask for it on the first install. Then, later, when you actually do want to use it, your app update won't say that you need any new permissions.

This doesn't sound right to me. I don't think developers are doing this.

I've done this. Not for sneaky/malicious purposes but just to provide a better experience. Also batching features around adding permissions, I'd rather release one update with two new permissions than two different updates each requesting a new permission.

Nova Launcher has had the "Set Wallpaper" permission from the start, most launchers have it and use it, but Nova didn't actually needed it initially as the set wallpaper functionality was just calling other apps that held the permission themselves. But I knew Nova would at some point require it (and indeed it does now) and users completely expect the launcher to be able to set the wallpaper, but users still get confused or annoyed by the new permission screen.

"Google Play License Check" is another permission I've requested but not used. It's a reasonable permission for a paid app to have and not one that users email me asking about, but when I first added it to WidgetLocker I did get users asking about new permissions (The "Android Market" at that time didn't specifically point out which permissions were new, so people would just ask about any permission they didn't realize the app had all along). In a future update I ended up disabling license checking because it was proving to be more trouble than it was worth, but I didn't remove the permission because if I ever wanted to turn it back on I didn't want users to be prompted about the permission again.

Requesting something like Read Contacts without actually using it would probably upset users, as some will ask about those kinds of permissions and expect a reasonable answer. Saying it's just for future use would seem a bit suspicious.

Re: Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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They still need to split the permissions more. READ_PHONE_STATE is nasty. Apps ask for the permission because they (for instance) need to pause playback on a video because you have an incoming call. But it covers all the phone details (numbers, IMEI etc) and who the call is coming from and a hell of a lot of other stuff. Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

Yep. I have gotten one-star reviews on an app of mine because they think I want to invade users' privacy, when I really just want to pause media when a call comes in. READ_PHONE_STATE means I have to decide whether I want a handful of one-star reviews for requesting that permission, or a truckload of one-star reviews for the app playing media over their calls.

Have you considered listing the reasoning behind your permissions in your app description?

Re: Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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post #169

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Re. proper keyboards - the market says otherwise. There have been plenty of Android phones with hard keyboards but they've not sold in sufficient quantities to make it attractive. If there was a market for it, people would be making them, if you disagree with that they what are you doing on here, your fortune awaits... Also worth seeing kids who've never used a physical keyboard to any great extent. I've seen them do…

> There have been plenty of Android phones with hard keyboards but they've not sold in sufficient quantities to make it attractive. They haven't sold because they've sucked. They had low-quality displays, crappy software, slow SoCs, and barely enough memory to be usable. The only keyboard phone left is BlackBerry, and that's not selling, well, because it's a BlackBerry. There is a huge market for regular keyboard cel…

"idiotic OEMs like ... Samsung would rather follow the fruity status quo"

Samsung has been immensely profitable with their strategy of 'following the fruity status quo' and have a huge design department and produce dozens of phones and if they thought there was a huge market for a flagship keyboard phone they'd presumably be all over it.

If people want a physical keyboard for their phone there are plenty of case options, e.g.: http://typokeyboards.com/

Re: Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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post #75

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> Whatever, fuck Google. Well this is going to be productive. I'm pretty sure Google isn't out to put all of its users through a meat grinder. For one thing people have been way off the handle about Google touching anything. At all. This article only mentions an accident that lasted one day. So it's "fuck Google" after everything, still, again I guess.

I don't know if you read the article properly (or maybe I didn't) but the 'accident' was improved privacy. Then they took the better privacy feature out. So that could qualify for a fuck Google comment.

I don't know if you read the article properly but this was never an actual feature. They were debug screens that required a third-party app to access. There's no way to access these settings at all from the system UI.

Re: Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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post #34

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> Have a single fake IMEI number, for example. How would that work in countries where modifying the IMEI is illegal? UK law (note prison sentence) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/1 I don't know if this is current US law or not. Here's one example http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.3186.IS :

That is one of the more shortsighted laws I have ever read. Or farsighted, depending on your cynicism about surveillance. I wonder if I generate a UUID on your phone in my app, if you delete the app data does that run afoul of this law?

I think it's really about the IMEI on stolen phones, rather than anything else. And it's in the UK, where there are differences in legal procedure to US. But the DMCA is supposed to be about copyright protection and yet it's being used to keep phones locked to a carrier, so laws with unintended consequences are worrying.

Re: Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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post #173

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You're right, it's better, since you don't have to sacrifice screen area for the keyboard There were Android phones with keyboards. I had the chance to play with a prototype in 2009 (yes, this was after the iPhone) Not good. Not good at all.

You don't have to sacrifice screen space for a physical keyboard... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/DROID_3.j... That form factor is fine, although not popular with consumers. I had a Droid 2 for a while, and found myself using the soft-keyboard more and more, particularly while not using connectbot.

Yes, the prototype I tested was similar

But the keys are too small for the fingers (IMHO). And it's a fragile item in the hardware.

Re: Google Removes Vital Privacy Feature From Android, Claims Release Was Accidental

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post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, it's better, since you don't have to sacrifice screen area for the keyboard There were Android phones with keyboards. I had the chance to play with a prototype in 2009 (yes, this was after the iPhone) Not good. Not good at all.

You don't have to sacrifice screen space for a physical keyboard... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/DROID_3.j... That form factor is fine, although not popular with consumers. I had a Droid 2 for a while, and found myself using the soft-keyboard more and more, particularly while not using connectbot.

I had one of the first generation Droids, and much preferred that form factor to any later smart phone I had, largely because of easy access to keys normally hidden behind layers of menu.
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