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The Criminalization of Everyday Life

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Re: The Criminalization of Everyday Life

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You're getting exactly as much as you asked for then.

On the contrary, I am getting a lot of stuff I do not consent to.

Well you're always free to leave. But you don't. And you keep on not voting, and then wonder why your government doesn't represent you. And you know, eventually on that track, you're no longer free to leave either.

But you're indignation shall not brook political engagement! So that's...something.

Re: The Criminalization of Everyday Life

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To me, as an English person looking at America through the prism of the news, and articles such as this, it looks more and more like the American state is a rogue element beset by paranoia, increasingly lacking trust not only in the world at large, but also in its own citizens.

Do any of you American citizens out there have the same opinion of your government?

Re: The Criminalization of Everyday Life

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The mayor is busy making speeches about how he's tough on crime. Things are gerrymandered enough that its a one party system where I live, so any speeches are a bit extreme, hoping to rise up in the party ranks, not appeal to anyone but extremists. My little city has one of those tanks and used it down the street from my home a couple years ago. Couple broke up, guy goes out, gets drunk, comes home, mostly but not en…

The police used to be brave. Now they are mostly cowards.

I'm not really sure where you get the data to back up either of these statements.

Re: The Criminalization of Everyday Life

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I think it's rather more that the history of states turning fascist shows that the turn is usually proceeded by the state acquiring extraordinary powers on the basis that "insert-bogeyman-here" is out to get us (see Italy, Spain, Germany for past exemplars) and that current citizens would rather be vigilant and ensure that we don't have a fascist future than sit back and allow the possibility that it might occur. "Th…

(I'm gunna respond even though I'm getting downvoted b/c hopefully someone gets something out of this.. but keep it coming! =) ) There is nothing inherently evil in surveillance. In and of itself it's a neutral thing. It's what you do with it that is evil or good. First I'd say that I don't really see how the NAZIs gain power because of surveillance. Hitler didn't seize power because the SA had some intricate intelli…

The argument is not that surveillance is evil or causes totalitarianism, the argument is that given a legal system wherein anything one does can be interpreted as a crime and a panopticon, the laws will be selectively applied to individuals who have personal conflicts with government agents or ideological conflicts with the government itself; the extreme version of this being some future totalitarian government that has ideological conflicts with nearly all citizens.

It's a matter of the additional power granted to the government... in exchange for what? An insignificant decrease in the likelihood that I am killed by terrorists?

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The general attitude, and the implications of everyone having health care, are far better. The police in general have a far friendlier disposition. It's not all about authority and the "listen to me I'm the coach/sergeant" sports-talk/military-talk mentality. There is also no real race issue the way African Americans experience in the US (a systematic, paranoid, aggressive marginalization of a large section of societ…

I don't know where in Canada you've lived, but there is plenty of that in Toronto, and Calgary, especially dealing with the natives. I'll bet Montreal and Vancouver aren't must different. There was no culture shock moving from Canada to the US.

The situation with natives is a far cry from the systematic and pervasive problems with racism against African Americans in the US. Natives are such a small percentage of the population in Canada, and certainly in urban centres, that no especially abusive laws have been constantly set up over the years in order to keep them at what is considered the appropriate station in society. Think of the hundred years of Jim Crow laws in the US, and the even current attempt to disenfranchise them during every election through voter registration laws and voter list deletions. It is simply not comparable.

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The general attitude, and the implications of everyone having health care, are far better. The police in general have a far friendlier disposition. It's not all about authority and the "listen to me I'm the coach/sergeant" sports-talk/military-talk mentality. There is also no real race issue the way African Americans experience in the US (a systematic, paranoid, aggressive marginalization of a large section of societ…

We have major race issues with Natives, nobody wants to talk about it though.

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Re: The Criminalization of Everyday Life

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The general attitude, and the implications of everyone having health care, are far better. The police in general have a far friendlier disposition. It's not all about authority and the "listen to me I'm the coach/sergeant" sports-talk/military-talk mentality. There is also no real race issue the way African Americans experience in the US (a systematic, paranoid, aggressive marginalization of a large section of societ…

We have major race issues with Natives, nobody wants to talk about it though.

Please see my reply to mhurron above (I can't copy paste it because HN deletes it as spam)

Re: The Criminalization of Everyday Life

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The funny thing is that we're probably just a few decades away from doing that , too.

well, as long as your thermonuclear nuke's seismic wave signature looks like tremor(s) of an earthquake, planting/burying it near continental plate dividers deep in the ocean should do the trick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale#Example...

Great, looks like that's done, so that's it for old business. Any new business?

Re: The Criminalization of Everyday Life

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If you discover a conspiracy that you believe, in absence of proof, what can you do with that information? I stopped trying to "figure it all out" once I realized that there was very little I can do as an individual, even if I am right about some conspiracy.

I suppose I worry that if I dismiss this stuff out of hand, one day I'll be blind to the one for which there is proof, or I'll ignore someone else who with hindsight shouldn't have been ignored. Like rms. But you're probably right, this kind of thinking is largely self-indulgent. EDIT: a little understanding of that kind of political history definitely gives useful context to discourse on current affairs, I think. It…

Thanks for the thoughtful replies. I've been on both sides of this. My current position is really only for the sake of pragmatism. I notice that I enjoy my life a lot more when I'm not worried about all the ways that people are trying to screw me.

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As someone broadly in political agreement with much on the left I never understand the obsession with rolling in Islamophobia with these things. At the end of the day religious movements are broadly intolerant, aboslutist and objectionable in nature. It's not a bad thing to fear the increase in power of religious totalitarians. They have a lot in common with many of the others you want to attack. Even the most mainst…

Because pilloried and decried is different than feared (-phobia). The paranoia some Americans have about Sharia law is a good example of the difference - I'm strongly against that happening, but I'm not afraid of that happening, because it isn't a real threat. Being against something and being afraid of something are very different, and it's the fear that can be useful to those in power.

To the contrary I am indeed afraid of the increase in Islamic fundamentalism across the world because of the destabilizing influence. Also because of the detrimental effects it has on global development, scientific progress and human rights (particularly women's rights). With the latter I fear that the more entrenched it becomes the harder it is to roll back. Sharia is a terrible thing for global progress and its implementation anywhere is something I fear, so phobia seems pretty apt and not irrational. Talking with women living in societies where Islamic fundamentalist power is on the rise you will find a very real fear as to what it means for them.
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