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Re: Ubuntu Touch OS wins its first smartphone partner

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Post by justincormack »

ekianjo wrote: post #45
kllrnohj wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux went mainstream ages ago. First with TiVo, now with Android. GNU/Linux + X11 + Gnome/KDE never went anywhere near mainstream, perhaps, but Linux sure as hell did.

AGain. Android. Is. Not. Linux. When we talk about Linux as an OS, we don't talk about Linux as the kernel. This is very tiring to read this everytime. The Android userland has nothing to do with any of the Linux distros out there. It's not Linux who went mainstream, it's Android userland. Try running Android applications in "non-Android" Linux for good fun.

So Shuttleworth was right it was a UX problem...

Re: Ubuntu Touch OS wins its first smartphone partner

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Post by justincormack »

hollerith wrote: post #15
derefr wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if Linux achieved a majority-share in the Desktop PC market... caused by the Desktop PC becoming completely irrelevant to consumers. (If only developers own PCs, and the majority of developers use Linux, then the majority of PCs will run Linux.)

In polls here, more respondents report running OS X than report running Linux on their desktops and laptops. So, it is uncertain whether it will ever be the case that the majority of devs use Linux although I guess there's a good chance of it happening if Apple ever decides to abandon the desktop / laptop market.

I don't think they are that wedded to Apple long term. Unix yes. they like the hardware but there are costs to not running on a production like environment. If docker or similar takes off it will push more to Linux as there will be less virtualization in the stack.

Re: Ubuntu Touch OS wins its first smartphone partner

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Post by chipaca »

notnowlewis wrote: post #50
Danieru wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are different. Ubuntu for Android is for running a desktop Ubuntu from a phone plugged into a monitor. Meanwhile Ubuntu Touch is the stand-alone mobile OS.

Touch is both desktop and mobile. You have a full mobile OS, but plug it into a monitor and you have a full desktop OS.

Not yet, it isn't.

Re: Ubuntu Touch OS wins its first smartphone partner

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Post by bassclef »

hollerith wrote: post #15
derefr wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if Linux achieved a majority-share in the Desktop PC market... caused by the Desktop PC becoming completely irrelevant to consumers. (If only developers own PCs, and the majority of developers use Linux, then the majority of PCs will run Linux.)

In polls here, more respondents report running OS X than report running Linux on their desktops and laptops. So, it is uncertain whether it will ever be the case that the majority of devs use Linux although I guess there's a good chance of it happening if Apple ever decides to abandon the desktop / laptop market.

i'm going away from apple products as a developer due to apples fierce decision to not let me decide how I want to use the hardware I bought. No bitcoin, can't run a live USB unless it contains OS X.. all bullshit. Looking to offload my Macbook Pro and iPhone 4 as we speak and going back to linux + droid. Have been a LONG time apple user but their continued hostility and undercutting of developers ideas at the expense of developers is crooked.

Anytime someone comes up with an extremely good app.. It magically becomes part of iOS leaving that person high and dry. Done. With. That. Shit.

Re: Ubuntu Touch OS wins its first smartphone partner

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Post by Shorel »

winslow wrote: post #7

"Shuttleworth founded Canonical in 2004, back in the day when Linux on the desktop was, if not exactly a contender, at least a more widely discussed alternative to Windows PCs than it is today." I feel like Linux is a better contender now then it was in 2004. Or am I just in a "developers tech savvy world" and viewing linux as a viable contender now compared to the typical layman?

Apple OSX came and gave us a good Unix UI.

Nowadays, OSX is seen as the alternative to Windows more than Linux is.

However, in some years the Valve's Steam support can make Linux the OS for gaming enthusiasts everywhere.

Re: Ubuntu Touch OS wins its first smartphone partner

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Post by dragonwriter »

winslow wrote: post #7

"Shuttleworth founded Canonical in 2004, back in the day when Linux on the desktop was, if not exactly a contender, at least a more widely discussed alternative to Windows PCs than it is today." I feel like Linux is a better contender now then it was in 2004. Or am I just in a "developers tech savvy world" and viewing linux as a viable contender now compared to the typical layman?

> I feel like Linux is a better contender now then it was in 2004. Or am I just in a "developers tech savvy world" and viewing linux as a viable contender now compared to the typical layman?

For the typical layman, what matters is mostly "can I get it and use it without thinking about it", which is, really, more about major vendor (both hardware and app developer) adoption than it is about substantive features. Insofar as Linux is a contender there, for the average individual user, its largely in the form of ChromeOS rather than traditional desktop linux distros, not because ChromeOS is more feature appropriate, but because of its backing.

There is a reason Microsoft is running negative ads about ChromeOS and not about, say, Ubuntu.

From a development perspective, Linux has been adequate as a main OS for a long-time, though better virtualization solutions make having to choose one OS full-time -- or use comparatively awkward dual-boot solutions -- less a reality.

Re: Ubuntu Touch OS wins its first smartphone partner

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Post by dragonwriter »

ekianjo wrote: post #45
kllrnohj wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux went mainstream ages ago. First with TiVo, now with Android. GNU/Linux + X11 + Gnome/KDE never went anywhere near mainstream, perhaps, but Linux sure as hell did.

AGain. Android. Is. Not. Linux. When we talk about Linux as an OS, we don't talk about Linux as the kernel. This is very tiring to read this everytime. The Android userland has nothing to do with any of the Linux distros out there. It's not Linux who went mainstream, it's Android userland. Try running Android applications in "non-Android" Linux for good fun.

> When we talk about Linux as an OS

...we talk incorrectly. Linux isn't an OS. Linux is a kernel, around which many OS's (Ubuntu, Red Hat, ChromeOS, Android, for instance) are built.

Re: Ubuntu Touch OS wins its first smartphone partner

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Post by stefanix »

hollerith wrote: post #15
derefr wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if Linux achieved a majority-share in the Desktop PC market... caused by the Desktop PC becoming completely irrelevant to consumers. (If only developers own PCs, and the majority of developers use Linux, then the majority of PCs will run Linux.)

In polls here, more respondents report running OS X than report running Linux on their desktops and laptops. So, it is uncertain whether it will ever be the case that the majority of devs use Linux although I guess there's a good chance of it happening if Apple ever decides to abandon the desktop / laptop market.

Dev here. Moved from OSX to Ubuntu a year ago. Love not having to agree-click ULAs all the time. Setting up dev stacks is very often so much easier and better documented. Working with open source software to develop open source projects is very enjoyable and very often I feel this is just the beginning of something very profound.

With proprietary OSes I constantly have the feeling of banging against elaborately engineered limitations. This feels so counter-productive. Instead of producing something great why not spend incredible amounts of work-years on creating artificial limitations for the users, right. No thanks.

In other words I like my computers to be general: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

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