So was Jack arrested or not?
You'll notice they prefer the term "interdicted" now. "Arrested" implies rights.
They stopped his vehicle and summoned him an Uber (charging him stewed prune surge pricing).
Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data
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Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data
#62Setting aside morality for a moment, that's a pretty cool little system there. What havoc would be wrought if such a system were public? Heh, the mind reels.
I would think a system like that being public would cause a great deal of interpersonal problems until ways to circumvent the data collection were found (even if it meant tearing GPS receivers out of mobile phones).
I remember reading a meta-analysis of lie detection and deception studies in humans, and there was one social psychology experiment where the participants were asked not to lie for the duration of the experiment. They couldn't even use the tactic of "white lying."
Overwhelmingly the participants said it was extremely difficult not to lie and when they couldn't lie, it ended up causing their stress levels to rise and their relationships suffered. Lying, or much more fundamentally - concealing, is a necessary process for maintaining social relationships. [You don't want to tell Mary what you really think about her new dress, and in the same way, you don't want to tell your boyfriend that you're throwing him a surprise party, even if he asks you directly.] As technology becomes increasingly woven into our social fabric, it's going to have to conform with our pre-established patterns.
Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data
#63This is fear mongering. You could have some person out in the field tailing you and get the same info (maybe even more). You can also put up a camera and tag people as potential DUIs based on how close to the middle of the lane they are driving. So what?
What's important to ask is what can the government do with the data. And NSA or not, what they are can do is limited by the law. No database changes that.
Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data
#64This is fear mongering. You could have some person out in the field tailing you and get the same info (maybe even more). You can also put up a camera and tag people as potential DUIs based on how close to the middle of the lane they are driving. So what? What's important to ask is what can the government do with the data. And NSA or not, what they are can do is limited by the law. No database changes that.
It's not the same goddamn thing. The article describes programmatic policing.
THEY CAN APPLY THESE TECHNOLOGIES TO THE ENTIRE POPULATION AT ONCE AS THEY ARE NO LONGER LIMITED BY NUMBER OF OFFICERS AVAILABLE.
This carries new, complex risks for society at large. How hard is that to understand? Relying solely on unclear "policy" and "access controls" to protect us from these risks is extremely foolish. Now, I'm not saying this is happening now, or will happen tomorrow. But these thought exercises are very useful and informative.
Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data
#65This article attempts to show what a local government could do, but does anyone have access to the sort of location dataset that could give one an intuition about how likely it would be that individuals would be singled out using the data shown? The article uses maps of Peoria, IL, so let's assume we're dealing with Peoria. There appear to be roughly 115K people between 18-64 in its metro area ( http://www.wolframalp…
You're assuming that individuals would have to be singled out for analysis in the first place. They wouldn't. With enough computing power, it'd be trivial to run this sort of analysis in near real-time for everyone. A few years down the line, this is even less of a concern: increased power, improved analysis tools, and greater efficiencies will all come together to empower just such a system at costs manageable by many local governments (particularly if they start working together to manage costs).
This means you've got a practical means of confidently predicting potential crime. Even better, the same mechanisms that help you predict potential criminal acts also help you close active cases more efficiently. That inevitably results in significant boosts to police productivity.
So armed, you now get to deploy your existing resources more effectively. Instead of parking a patrol car at a "pretty good spot" to nail violators for a few hours, you'll reposition yourself continuously to the location offering the greatest probability of an arrest/citation at that specific moment in time. Instead of passively waiting for violators to happen across your location, you're actively positioning yourself to nail them directly. The specific individual doesn't matter.
But you won't be dispatching patrollers in the current manner. Since you'll also be tracking your own patrol cars, you can correlate the two and dispatch each car to the highest probability incident nearest to them where they're likely to catch a potential perpetrator. By having everyone under effective surveillance, for every minute of every day, each of your resources will always be deployed in the most efficient manner possible.
Where it really gets wild is when you start to consider traffic enforcement automation along with the push for local government drone coverage. Along with the existing red light and speed cameras, you'll have mobile platforms capable of filling in for any holes in your patrol car coverage while also benefitting from the same efficiency gains described earlier. And they'll be gathering additional data (movements, facial recognition, automatic number plate recognition, etc.) to send back to base while they're doing it.
It won't be like The Machine from Person of Interest, but all things considered, it'll be closer to it than anything else to date.
Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data
#66It's easy to imagine the kind of data government has, imagine its ability to process that data, and easy to interpret that they will do it. But it's also important to recognize that this is conjecture. From my experience in government: they nailed the user experience (check out http://dsbs.sba.gov for some awesome gov UI), but really overestimated government's capacity to build intelligent technology like this. I kno…
I fully agree. Private industry, as well as fraudsters and criminals who were somehow armed with all of this data could probably end up being far more nefarious than anything the NSA is actually doing right now. Imagine if a Russian cybercrime gang gained access to NSA's Quantum Insert method, for example.
I mean, obviously a criminal organization having this data would be much more of issue than the government having it...
But, I don't see how that justifies the US government having the information in the first place. That's obviously not the point that you're making or agreeing with, but I feel like it's almost being implied.
"Oh well, at least it wasn't Russian cybercrime that completely and pervasively destroyed the worlds trust in our entire nations technological infrastructure", seems to be a tangential point at best to the conversation at hand.
Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I fully agree. Private industry, as well as fraudsters and criminals who were somehow armed with all of this data could probably end up being far more nefarious than anything the NSA is actually doing right now. Imagine if a Russian cybercrime gang gained access to NSA's Quantum Insert method, for example.
I mean, obviously a criminal organization having this data would be much more of issue than the government having it... But, I don't see how that justifies the US government having the information in the first place. That's obviously not the point that you're making or agreeing with, but I feel like it's almost being implied. "Oh well, at least it wasn't Russian cybercrime that completely and pervasively destroyed th…
It doesn't justify it. The NSA should be barred from further operations like this. I can think it's wrong, while still not personally fearing the NSA looking at my personal data.
Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data
#68It's easy to imagine the kind of data government has, imagine its ability to process that data, and easy to interpret that they will do it. But it's also important to recognize that this is conjecture. From my experience in government: they nailed the user experience (check out http://dsbs.sba.gov for some awesome gov UI), but really overestimated government's capacity to build intelligent technology like this. I kno…
You've obviously never met malicious police. How laughable your statement is.
Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I fully agree. Private industry, as well as fraudsters and criminals who were somehow armed with all of this data could probably end up being far more nefarious than anything the NSA is actually doing right now. Imagine if a Russian cybercrime gang gained access to NSA's Quantum Insert method, for example.
I mean, obviously a criminal organization having this data would be much more of issue than the government having it... But, I don't see how that justifies the US government having the information in the first place. That's obviously not the point that you're making or agreeing with, but I feel like it's almost being implied. "Oh well, at least it wasn't Russian cybercrime that completely and pervasively destroyed th…
If anything, it's another reason the US government shouldn't have it ... any insecurity they create / encourage, or data trove they maintain becomes a target for the criminals (or other nations' spies) and therefore makes us all less safe.
Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, obviously a criminal organization having this data would be much more of issue than the government having it... But, I don't see how that justifies the US government having the information in the first place. That's obviously not the point that you're making or agreeing with, but I feel like it's almost being implied. "Oh well, at least it wasn't Russian cybercrime that completely and pervasively destroyed th…
It doesn't justify it. The NSA should be barred from further operations like this. I can think it's wrong, while still not personally fearing the NSA looking at my personal data.
Would I be right to say it isn't a lack of fear, its just a much reduced fear?