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Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data

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Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data

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Yet another example of how the government can use this information to "discredit radicalizers": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_...

Interesting... There are 535 high-profile Americans the NSA could check, many of whom have fascinating porn-search histories and radical (often anti-porn) public agendas.

Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data

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It's easy to imagine the kind of data government has, imagine its ability to process that data, and easy to interpret that they will do it. But it's also important to recognize that this is conjecture. From my experience in government: they nailed the user experience (check out http://dsbs.sba.gov for some awesome gov UI), but really overestimated government's capacity to build intelligent technology like this. I kno…

Even if government isn't capable of building things out, they will eventually be able to buy them from third parties, likely venture-backed ones like Palantir.

Third parties have little to risk by targeting this kind of market because private companies are just as interested in exploiting customer data.

Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data

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A related experiment: http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-data-retention/

Nice. I was looking for that yesterday for the Google Location history discussion. Digging through this site's javascript I found this comment: "Für diesen Quellcode komme ich nicht in den Himmel."

In case you don't know German: "Orpnhfr bs guvf fbhepr pbqr, V'z abg tbvat gb urnira." (ROT13 for fellow non-native German speakers who want to think about the meaning for a moment.)

Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data

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post #51
post #37

Yet another example of how the government can use this information to "discredit radicalizers": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_...

Interesting... There are 535 high-profile Americans the NSA could check, many of whom have fascinating porn-search histories and radical (often anti-porn) public agendas.

I believe that the number of politicians being extorted by various secret services based on such information to act/vote in a particular way (in the US and abroad) to be much higher. In particular, many politicians in the EU seem to be aligned with US policies (those unpopular in the EU) a bit too much. They've probably got a lot to hide..

Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data

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post #37

Yet another example of how the government can use this information to "discredit radicalizers": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_...

Stewart Baker, who was quoted extensively for that article, had some interesting words regarding it[1]:

When one of the authors, Ryan Grim, called me for comment, he said that while Glenn Greenwald was transitioning to his new Omidyar-funded venture he was temporarily publishing his Snowden leaks with HuffPo. So when he asked for my take on the NSA story, pretty much the first words out of my mouth were, “Why wouldn’t we consider doing to Islamic extremists what Glenn Greenwald does routinely to Republicans?” The story quotes practically everything I said to Grim except that remark, even though I returned to the point a couple of times and emphasized that it summed up my view.

I don’t think HuffPo cut the quote because they ran out of electrons. The article itself is so tediously long that I defy anyone to read every word in a single go.

Nor because my remark was inaccurate. It turns out that Glenn Greenwald has written an entire book devoted to exposing the contradiction between Republicans’ ideology and their private lives. In Greenwald’s words, “While the right wing endlessly exploits claims of moral superiority … virtually its entire top leadership have lives characterized by the most decadent, hedonistic, and morally unrestrained behavior imaginable …[including] a string of shattered marriages, active out-of-wedlock sex lives, and highly ‘untraditional’ and ‘un-Christian’ personal lives [endless detail omitted].” His book certainly makes the NSA memo sound restrained and cautious, but both are motivated by the same idea.

Grim and Greenwald very likely cut the quote because it would have undermined the narrative of the piece, which combines solicitude for the poor Islamists whose sexual and financial hypocrisy might be exposed with outrage at the NSA for even considering such a tactic. The quote would have made them look like, well, hypocrites.

The incident makes me wonder what else Greenwald leaves out of his stories. And why we should continue to trust snippets of documents selected by someone who thinks that the difference between Islamist extremists and Republicans is that one is an enemy that deserves no quarter and the other is sort of like Martin Luther King, except for the part about wanting to kill us.

[1] http://www.volokh.com/2013/11/27/understanding-enemy/

Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data

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Yet another example of how the government can use this information to "discredit radicalizers": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_...

Why are you putting discredit radicalizer in scare quotes? The released NSA document shows that the act to discredit radicalizers is used in a very specific context. I feel as if you're trying to twist it and make it ambiguous.

Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data

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Am I the only one for whom the article had the opposite than intended effect? I was expecting some real life horror story of a false positive or deliberate framing, but instead I was given examples of how this data could be used constructively to try and evaluate where there might be a high likelihood of crime occurring, and trying to prevent it. In my eyes, using tax dollars to prevent crime rather than punishing it a HUGE win!

Re: Meet Jack. Or, What The Government Could Do With All That Location Data

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post #40

It's easy to imagine the kind of data government has, imagine its ability to process that data, and easy to interpret that they will do it. But it's also important to recognize that this is conjecture. From my experience in government: they nailed the user experience (check out http://dsbs.sba.gov for some awesome gov UI), but really overestimated government's capacity to build intelligent technology like this. I kno…

Part of the issue with government is that you ultimately have much less recourse against the government than against anyone else. This exacerbates the potential damage the government could do with any given technology.
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