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New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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Re: New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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Link-baity title, but warranted, I'd say. The story is that the government is launching a spy satellite with a logo on it featuring a "mascot" -- a giant Kraken-like octopus taking over the planet. Whoever created it could only have been thinking of their bureau's unchecked ability to do what it wanted and not the public's perception of it because the creature, especially its eye, looks menacing, ominous, foreboding,…

> It implies the agency is insular, unaccountable, and has an aggressive, secret agenda You're giving these people way too much credit. Military and intelligence patches are all about bravado and "USA #1" not some sophisticated and cryptic critique of their employer. I've had a long time interest in this stuff and let me tell you, its all tasteless and dumb, with the occasional touch of humor. The patch critical of t…

I'm not even that deeply interested in military/intelligence, and I share your stance. It takes only a cursory survey of their patches, particularly air units, to see the logos are not created with any kind of serious purpose- no more serious than when my casual hockey team decided to call themselves the Honey Badgers.

Re: New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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Similar motif on NROL-66: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NROL-66_Patch.png Can't make this shit up

This one... I have no idea how this one makes me feel: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/NROL10_US... Like, seriously, what if they were all like that?

I think the way it should make you feel is,

Clearly, the patches are silly and I don't know why I care so much about this

Re: New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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We don't have to use the original title here. I too thought it meant a real octopus.

Really? You read 'world-devouring octopus' and thought that not only have US scientists discovered Cthulhu, but they've decided to launch him into space to ride on a satellite? You really believed that? Life for you must be much more alarming than it is for most of us!

Well, I didn't think that but I was very confused about what the article could be about.

Re: New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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This reminds me of a relevant Mitchell ans Webb clip, "Are we the baddies?". As an American, I'm having trouble deciding if if we are at this point. Edited to add clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv2XGQBcvxQ

That skit is hilarious. That said, it also just goes and forgets pretty much anything about what happens when you tell a bunch of men to live together so that they can go kill other men. It also skims over the history of that particular emblem. The death's head has been used by 'elite' Prussian and Germany military units back to the 19th century. Obviously the point is to incite a little fear, and obviously the point…

Heh, I am just picturing a fabulous army prancing around with the charter to "break taboos"

Re: New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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Link-baity title, but warranted, I'd say. The story is that the government is launching a spy satellite with a logo on it featuring a "mascot" -- a giant Kraken-like octopus taking over the planet. Whoever created it could only have been thinking of their bureau's unchecked ability to do what it wanted and not the public's perception of it because the creature, especially its eye, looks menacing, ominous, foreboding,…

It does look menacing and ominous, but it's only supposed to be used against them . Whether you agree with it or not, it's the premise widely shared by Americans and those in the intelligence agencies and in the military. It renders your following implication inaccurate: "It implies the agency is insular, unaccountable, and has an aggressive, secret agenda it cares about more than anything else, certainly more than y…

> No, what it implies is that those who intend to do evil against America cannot hide anywhere in the world.

Define "evil" and "America"? Seeing how war profiteers sending off your young into wars, and making everyone else pay for toys that are just as mind boggingly expensive as they are mind boggingly useless for anything but murder and control, doesn't seem to either count as "evil" or as perpetrating it against "America".

> we still have elections

Oh yeah. "Hope And Change! Now That I Got This Fuck You". Rinse, repeat.

> aren't sending political prisoners to siberia

No, you send them to Gitmo or black sites. Snowden is stuck in Russia. Manning got tortured right at home.

> we haven't killed tens of millions of our own people

Well, the private prison industry is more profitable, is it not? http://www.inthepublicinterest.org/blog/%E2%80%9Clockup-quot...

Indeed, why kill people when you can milk them? Murdering millions of people is very low tech, and unless, you use very expensive weaponry others pay for, just not profitable. From a capitalistic viewpoint it's plain dumb. I think that explains more than any "values" you might think are present at higher echolons of power.

Re: New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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Link-baity title, but warranted, I'd say. The story is that the government is launching a spy satellite with a logo on it featuring a "mascot" -- a giant Kraken-like octopus taking over the planet. Whoever created it could only have been thinking of their bureau's unchecked ability to do what it wanted and not the public's perception of it because the creature, especially its eye, looks menacing, ominous, foreboding,…

It does look menacing and ominous, but it's only supposed to be used against them . Whether you agree with it or not, it's the premise widely shared by Americans and those in the intelligence agencies and in the military. It renders your following implication inaccurate: "It implies the agency is insular, unaccountable, and has an aggressive, secret agenda it cares about more than anything else, certainly more than y…

fun tin foil time: I know that you are generally very well informed and keep a sound perspective on things, but I personally think that you, and the Americans who "widely" hold the view that the military and intel community is fully delineating between the "us"==US citizenry and a "them"==Our 'Enemies' is now proven to be both outdated and naive.

I believe there was a rather long coup of the US by the CIA starting with the Kennedy assassination where we saw the cabal surrounding GHW Bush, largely starting in the 70s, with Bush, Rumsfeld Cheney and many others in their circle which have been in unquestionable power for nearly 40 years now. The NSA, CIA, NRO are tools of this group, where there is effectively an "inner circle" of the intelligence community which has far more insidious motives and methods for maintaining their position of control, which allows them to direct world wide warfare and economic matters for the benefit of themselves.

The "military" is an exceptionally well manipulated tool for this end.

I am posting from my phone so I'd like to go more I detail when I get to a machine.

Cheney is largely the architect of the current government/military/contractor system where he worked from the position of sec. Of defense under Bush to change how the military was structured to make it a larger profit center for a small number of connected contracting companies.

The Clinton's are CIA assets controlled through their Mena Ar drug running activities and as such was "allowed" to run as the democratic figure head because the back end wasn't going to change.

So, if you think that there is not a nefarious group at the center of the current architecture of the military industrial complex striving to control everything, then you may have not been paying close enough attention to the action of these groups, and individuals, and been listening too much to the programming of your "news" sources.

This is not to say that the US military is all "bad" but you'd be completely nave to see it as anything more than a tool used by a very specific interest. Just look at the false "intelligence" lies that they tried to use to profit from attacking Syria. And the "punishment" they exacted by shutting down the government when they were stood up to.

Re: New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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If there was Wikipedia in 1974 it would have told us that the Glomar Explorer was built to mine manganese nodules from the ocean floor.

And what is it you suppose this satellite is tasked with? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_Launches This is an intelligence mission, it's just one of the least sinister of all the intelligence missions that can be performed from space. We are performing those missions - just not on this launch.

Given that is is a modern radar and part of an array, my guess would be deep subsurface 3d spectroscopy using ground penetrating radar technology, similar to what is now used in mining - http://adrokgroup.com/ , then you know where the distribution of elements are down to several miles below the surface, which means you then know where all the nuclear material in the world is and can spot when it moves. Oh and as a bonus, you have a huge edge on mineral rights.

Re: New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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It does look menacing and ominous, but it's only supposed to be used against them . Whether you agree with it or not, it's the premise widely shared by Americans and those in the intelligence agencies and in the military. It renders your following implication inaccurate: "It implies the agency is insular, unaccountable, and has an aggressive, secret agenda it cares about more than anything else, certainly more than y…

The false equivalencies are probably more of a "there but for the grace of Columbia go we," type of thing. The disease that is Empire never has exactly the same symptoms. Last time I checked, the elections did not significantly change policy, despite a change in the balance of power between parties. The US has the highest per-capita rate of incarceration in the world, mostly over Prohibition. And the millions we have…

> Last time I checked, the elections did not significantly change policy

What makes you think that people want a change in policy, in some substantive sort of way? There is a reason that third parties in the U.S. are ridiculed: most people don't agree with any of their positions. Few people are far enough to the right that they want to get rid of the Department of Education like the libertarians, or far enough to the left that they want to revive the power of the labor unions, like the greens. People who opposed Iraq turned around and exerted the President to get into Syria.

> The US has the highest per-capita rate of incarceration in the world, mostly over Prohibition.

An interesting aspect of the original Prohibition was that it was, at the time, perceived as a triumph of Democracy. It was deeply intertwined with the women's suffrage movement, and succeeded despite the enormous power, money, and influence of the alcohol manufacturers. It succeeded despite the fact that at the time, the federal government derived 1/3 of its revenue from liquor taxes.

The drug war is bad, sure, but it's a sign of a misguided democracy not an authoritarian regime. I grew up in the suburbs in the early 1990's, surrounded by soccer moms shrieking "just say no!" This year was the first time since 1969 that a majority of Americans supported decriminalizing marijuana: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/marijuana-legalization.... Not ending the drug war, just decriminalizing the most harmless of the drugs. And not "likely voters" but a group including lots of young people who won't vote to effectuate that policy. You can't look at the drug war and call it some sort of failure of democracy, a slide into Stalinist despotism.

> And the millions we have killed are mostly in other countries that do not respeck our authority.

There is a big difference between killing people in other countries and killing people in our own country.

> to demand that banks everywhere in the world comply with its tax regime

Doesn't seem unreasonable, considering that banks everywhere transact with or through the United States.

Re: New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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It does look menacing and ominous, but it's only supposed to be used against them . Whether you agree with it or not, it's the premise widely shared by Americans and those in the intelligence agencies and in the military. It renders your following implication inaccurate: "It implies the agency is insular, unaccountable, and has an aggressive, secret agenda it cares about more than anything else, certainly more than y…

You're right. We send them to Gitmo, or the Salt Pit, or Abu Ghraib. Does held indefinitely without trial or charges qualify as a political prisoner? It certainly fits my definition.

Poor treatment of prisoners of war is not equivalent to imprisonment of political dissenters. The only American citizen ever held in Guantanamo was captured in Afghanistan fighting against the U.S. and was transferred out.

Re: New US spy satellite logo features world-devouring octopus

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does look menacing and ominous, but it's only supposed to be used against them . Whether you agree with it or not, it's the premise widely shared by Americans and those in the intelligence agencies and in the military. It renders your following implication inaccurate: "It implies the agency is insular, unaccountable, and has an aggressive, secret agenda it cares about more than anything else, certainly more than y…

> No, what it implies is that those who intend to do evil against America cannot hide anywhere in the world. Define "evil" and "America"? Seeing how war profiteers sending off your young into wars, and making everyone else pay for toys that are just as mind boggingly expensive as they are mind boggingly useless for anything but murder and control, doesn't seem to either count as "evil" or as perpetrating it against "…

> Oh yeah. "Hope And Change! Now That I Got This Fuck You". Rinse, repeat.

Those liberals who opposed the war in Iraq and voted for Obama turned right around and cheered for intervention in Syria. It's not some failure of democracy when people get what they want.

> No, you send them to Gitmo or black sites. Snowden is stuck in Russia. Manning got tortured right at home.

One U.S. citizen was ever held in Guantanamo, and he was caught fighting against the U.S. in Afghanistan. He was transferred out. Snowden is stuck in Russia because he doesn't want to face charges for crimes he committed. Manning submitted to military justice by joining the military.

> Well, the private prison industry is more profitable, is it not? http://www.inthepublicinterest.org/blog/%E2%80%9Clockup-quot....

I very strongly oppose private prisons, but it's utterly ridiculous to compare them to the Stalinist regime. 8% of Americas prisoners are in private prisons. The number became substantially more than 0% only in this decade, while we've been imprisoning poor minorities in huge numbers since the 1980's and 1990's. In other words, they're a response to incarceration rates, not something driving those incarceration rates.

It's not really a compelling argument to point to a random list of bad things about America then say "it's just like Stalinist Russia." There's no thought or reason in your argument, just vituperative handwaving.

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