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Governments admit to faking terrorism: a list

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Re: Governments admit to faking terrorism: a list

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Post by jakeogh »

fsck--off wrote: post #61
atlantic wrote: post #52

Considering things in this perspective, is it so far-fetched to at least consider the possibility that 9/11 was a false-flag attack?

> Considering things in this perspective, is it so far-fetched to at least consider the possibility that 9/11 was a false-flag attack? Yes, it would be completely far fetched and cretinous. You would have to completely ignore the history of bin Laden's interactions with American and the CIA, the attack on the USS Cole the year before, and the 1993 World Trade Center bombings.

The Bin Laden and Bush families go way back. FBI Agent Robert Wrights press conference is a good place to start. http://911encyclopedia.com/wiki/index.php/Robert_Wright

Also the calls Emad Salem (1993 WTC Bombing) recorded with his FBI handler where he talks about who built the bomb.

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Post by mschuster91 »

jackpirate wrote: post #34
rdtsc wrote: post #19

This is a tried and true tactic. It would take extensive use of brainwashing and belief in fairy tales about an enlightened government, a city on hill exceptional-ism or what-have-you to think these don't happen. However, this level of brainwashing is achieved in US quite often. It is a lot worse vis-a-vis the rhetoric of independence, free thinking, individualism. But that in an of itself (this belief that we are no…

they realize what they have to do in their jobs contradicts the high idealized patriotic beliefs of what this country is about This is extremely uncommon. For example, I used to be a submarine officer in the Navy, and I left as a conscientious objector because of this realization. In an average year, less than 100 active duty service members will apply for conscientious objector status (there are over 1 million activ…

Instead, it's because 100s of man-years of work is going out the window.

Rightly so, because this work should never have been done at all!

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

mtdewcmu wrote: post #79
lambda wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you missed including these items: As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960′s, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the fol…

False flag operations are the bread and butter of conspiracy theorists, and I'd like to show this list to some I know... This may not be an ideal list, but it describes things that actually occurred. The false-flags that involved the US are the exceptions that prove the rule. You can see how far these proposals typically get in the US government.

> The false-flags that involved the US are the exceptions that prove the rule.

Are they? They are certainly rare, but so are actual terrorists attacks in the United States. If you choose at random an attack on the US outside of a combat zone within our lifetimes, you have a nontrivial probability that it was an admitted false flag operation. And that's just counting the ones they've admitted.

This isn't to say that we should fall in with the "9/11 was an inside job" people, but rather that we should be extraordinarily skeptical when there is some kind of an attack and self-interested parties come out of the woodwork with complicated one-sided proposals to ensure "never again" (even though they can ensure no such thing), which just so happen to secure to the proponents an unfathomably large quantity of tax dollars.

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Post by jessaustin »

twoodfin wrote: post #49
rdtsc wrote: post #19

This is a tried and true tactic. It would take extensive use of brainwashing and belief in fairy tales about an enlightened government, a city on hill exceptional-ism or what-have-you to think these don't happen. However, this level of brainwashing is achieved in US quite often. It is a lot worse vis-a-vis the rhetoric of independence, free thinking, individualism. But that in an of itself (this belief that we are no…

Good thing we have smart people like you and those who voted up this comment who have resisted all the brainwashing.

That's what they want you to think...

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Post by hristov »

recuter wrote: post #30

It is actually incredibly easy to see how smart people tasked with solving complicated societal problems arrive at false flag operations as a viable solution: Imagine you have a credible imminent threat to your society posted by a danger to which the society is not familiar enough with to fully grasp and take seriously. Do you wait for the threat to play out and take your chances with the society sufficiently changin…

It is not a grey area. It is a completely black area. Completely and totally wrong.

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Post by ilaksh »

heynk wrote: post #55
recuter wrote: post #30

It is actually incredibly easy to see how smart people tasked with solving complicated societal problems arrive at false flag operations as a viable solution: Imagine you have a credible imminent threat to your society posted by a danger to which the society is not familiar enough with to fully grasp and take seriously. Do you wait for the threat to play out and take your chances with the society sufficiently changin…

Imagine you were a US intelligence officer with an extremely in-depth knowledge of socioeconomic momentum around the world. You are aware that oil is a relatively irreplaceable dependency and that most oil is controlled by foreign regimes that are not allies of the US. You realize that if things keep going this way, those in control of oil will have huge advantages in the future. You have the ability to recognize tha…

"Society is not familiar enough with the threat.." Yeah, that whole line of bullshit is definitely the sort of rationalization people unfortunately make.

Unfortunately its also bullshit.

The United States is just as much an evil, selfish empire as any that came before it.

Someday people like you may learn to think on your own rather than rationalizing immoral acts.

One way to make it easier for yourself. Try to think of things on a smaller scale. Say if your dad was lying to you (as an adult) about how your sister was killed by a terrorist. Only he really killed her in order to take over her bedroom to convert it into a gaming room.

The established institutions need to be completed demolished. They are destructive, unethical, worthless.

But anyway it doesn't matter too much what people do anymore. Within a few decades artificial intelligences will take over. And it will be a much more ethical and sane world. Because many of the problems we have are the result of human ignorance, stupidity, and childishness.

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Post by moocowduckquack »

baddox wrote: post #43
rdtsc wrote: post #19

This is a tried and true tactic. It would take extensive use of brainwashing and belief in fairy tales about an enlightened government, a city on hill exceptional-ism or what-have-you to think these don't happen. However, this level of brainwashing is achieved in US quite often. It is a lot worse vis-a-vis the rhetoric of independence, free thinking, individualism. But that in an of itself (this belief that we are no…

> It would take extensive use of brainwashing and belief in fairy tales about an enlightened government, a city on hill exceptional-ism or what-have-you to think these don't happen. And the only way a government could pull that off would be to do something drastic, like if it forced all citizens to sit listening to government employees deliver government curricula for 8 hours a day for twelve years during some of the…

In schools, some countries tell the kids to do morning prayer, and some tell them to sing the national anthem. Some countries tell them to do both. I can't think of that many countries where they are not normally prompted to do either one or the other.

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Post by TDL »

tslathrow wrote: post #88

Just FYI ritholtz is a complete fake... tried to build a brand out of working as a strategist at a bombed out bank. Not saying that his articles are invalid, just that he is a serial marketer with little in terms of relevant credentials.

What? He's been a trader/strategist for nearly 30 years and is CEO of his own firm. Furthermore, he one of the most widely read financial bloggers around. Why don't you post some evidence supporting your claims.

P.S. He didn't write this, he posted to his blog.

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Post by tootie »

mtdewcmu wrote: post #79
lambda wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you missed including these items: As admitted by the U.S. government, recently declassified documents show that in the 1960′s, the American Joint Chiefs of Staff signed off on a plan to blow up AMERICAN airplanes (using an elaborate plan involving the switching of airplanes), and also to commit terrorist acts on American soil, and then to blame it on the Cubans in order to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the fol…

False flag operations are the bread and butter of conspiracy theorists, and I'd like to show this list to some I know... This may not be an ideal list, but it describes things that actually occurred. The false-flags that involved the US are the exceptions that prove the rule. You can see how far these proposals typically get in the US government.

Conspiracy theorists really drive me nuts for so many reasons. We invaded Iraq after spending months trumpeting it in the press and the perpretators used it as a plank in elections. The worst crimes are just not secret. They do it in our faces and there are many, many people who think it's great. A secret trade deal may let companies sue for something or other in foreign countries? There are people getting elected on a platform of denying evolution and climate change!
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