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Re: Reform Government Surveillance

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Post by molecule »

pacala wrote: post #15

This is getting ridiculous. The ad empires built on stalking every single breath of every single human want to take governments to task on the topic of stalking. What about cleaning up your own house first? 1. Limiting Corporations’ Authority to Collect Users’ Information Corporations should codify sensible limitations on their ability to collect and disclose user data that balance their need for the data in limited…

    
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Re: Reform Government Surveillance

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Post by pwang »

> we are focused on keeping user’s data secure

ARGH! Close to a trillion dollars of net corporate value, and they can't afford a decent grammarian when they write an open letter to the President?!

(Hint: It should be "users'".)

Re: Reform Government Surveillance

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Post by tomphoolery »

ekianjo wrote: post #18
pacala wrote: post #15

This is getting ridiculous. The ad empires built on stalking every single breath of every single human want to take governments to task on the topic of stalking. What about cleaning up your own house first? 1. Limiting Corporations’ Authority to Collect Users’ Information Corporations should codify sensible limitations on their ability to collect and disclose user data that balance their need for the data in limited…

On Internet you have the choice of which service to use, that's the key difference. You don't want Google ? Use DuckDuckGo. You don't want Microsoft ? Use Linux systems. And so on. The issue with the government is that you are tracked by default, on your mobile phone and on your online activity. You cannot opt out .

This. We can make as many comparisons as we want but at the end of the day, if I don't like the way Facebook is doing their business I can just delete my account. I can't just delete my Social Security Number if I'm opposed to the US's continued investment into the war on drugs as well as its military strikes overseas. Nor can I really retaliate to a country on earth where I don't have to be afraid of the government tracking me. You really can't opt out.

Re: Reform Government Surveillance

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Post by magicalist »

pacala wrote: post #15

This is getting ridiculous. The ad empires built on stalking every single breath of every single human want to take governments to task on the topic of stalking. What about cleaning up your own house first? 1. Limiting Corporations’ Authority to Collect Users’ Information Corporations should codify sensible limitations on their ability to collect and disclose user data that balance their need for the data in limited…

Uh, I would like corporate and governmental accountability.

Re: Reform Government Surveillance

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Post by seldo »

molecule wrote: post #17

It seems peculiar that Apple is a signatory: > Sincerely, > AOL, Apple, Facebook, Google, LinkedIn, Microsoft, Twitter, Yahoo and their logo appears in the listing @ the end of the page, but their logo isn't in the beginning of the page, and they don't provide a quote from their CEO nor legal counsel, per the other signing companies. Last-minute change of heart, lukewarm support...?

I wondered about that as well. Last-minute inclusion seems most likely explanation, but very odd.

If you have ever worked on something like this, you will know that merely getting these companies to agree to have their logos on the same page is a feat. They are listed in alphabetical order, and I imagine there was MUCH discussion about their relative sizes. But it can't be that Apple is disputing their logo size, since it's included at the bottom.

Re: Reform Government Surveillance

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Post by [deleted] »

magicalist wrote: post #24
pacala wrote: post #15

This is getting ridiculous. The ad empires built on stalking every single breath of every single human want to take governments to task on the topic of stalking. What about cleaning up your own house first? 1. Limiting Corporations’ Authority to Collect Users’ Information Corporations should codify sensible limitations on their ability to collect and disclose user data that balance their need for the data in limited…

Uh, I would like corporate and governmental accountability.

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Re: Reform Government Surveillance

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Post by teamgb »

pg wrote: post #19

Among other things, this is the tipping point for how Snowden will be viewed. If all these powerful companies agree, in an unprecedented show of unanimity, that this is an important problem, then Snowden is ipso facto a hero for bringing it to our attention. The curious thing is, I feel the linkage works in the other direction too. If Snowden had been caught and was now having his brains scrambled by solitary confine…

Not once does the name "Edward Snowden" appear anywhere on the web-page or open letter!

These companies are simply grand-standing to further their own ambition.

They don't care what happens to Snowden, they deny even his very existence.

Re: Reform Government Surveillance

#30

Post by dewitt »

phaed wrote: post #8

Good god, they can't even get their open graph tags right. Tried to share this on facebook: http://i.imgur.com/HDtqrcS.png

The site just went live at 9:00 PM PST, so that's what FB had cached from the placeholder site beforehand. G+ had the same problem. Mostly this demonstrates a need to be able force a recrawl when generating the thumbnail.
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