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An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger

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Re: An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger

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I like Carl, maybe because I also prefer Dustin Hoffman over Robert Redford (who played Woodward)...but this letter, and also how he's decided to teach journalism at a public instead of prestigious private college, makes me think he's a real standup guy as well as one of our most famous investigative reporters.

http://nypost.com/2013/09/19/iconic-journalist-carl-bernstei...

> “I didn’t want to go to an Ivy League college or university — too many of them are stuck in a rarified approach to learning. I also wanted to be among a student body that had more young people who were not there by virtue of legacy or earning power of their parents.

Also, Bob Woodward has not been as gracious during the whole Snowden affair, basically annoyed that Snowden didn't go to him, as opposed to his apparently inferior WaPo colleagues, such as Barton Gellman, who's a Pulitzer-winning journalist (twice) himself:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/21/barton-gellman-bob-...

Re: An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger

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post #3

I like Carl, maybe because I also prefer Dustin Hoffman over Robert Redford (who played Woodward)...but this letter, and also how he's decided to teach journalism at a public instead of prestigious private college, makes me think he's a real standup guy as well as one of our most famous investigative reporters. http://nypost.com/2013/09/19/iconic-journalist-carl-bernstei... > “I didn’t want to go to an Ivy League col…

Oh please. As if everyone going to an IVY League (or similar) school is there because of legacy or earning power of their parents?

"that had more young people who were not there by virtue of legacy or earning power of their parents"

I think that's a huge leap.

Not only that but the IVY League schools have a large number of students that are there on scholarship and are given a great opportunity.

Harvard (as only one example) gives free tuition to certain students:

http://politicalblindspot.com/harvard-university-offers-free...

He can and should teach wherever he wants of course. But to cloak it in some kind of higher purpose or respectability as if he is better than the person who decides they do want to teach at a particular prestigious school I just don't agree with that.

Re: An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger

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I know this will be unpopular here, but personally, I would like to see the Guardian prosecuted for its reckless reporting of stolen information in the same way that phone hacking was dealt with.

You can't just steal documents from governments and publish them without any consequences.

If your government is doing something bad, then it should be dealt with legally, and via the established checks and balances. Newspapers shouldn't be above the law.

Re: An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger

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post #5

I know this will be unpopular here, but personally, I would like to see the Guardian prosecuted for its reckless reporting of stolen information in the same way that phone hacking was dealt with. You can't just steal documents from governments and publish them without any consequences. If your government is doing something bad, then it should be dealt with legally, and via the established checks and balances. Newspap…

They haven't stolen anything the government still has the information which is public domain.

Citizens have the right to know what the laws of their country are, if the government believes it has the right to snoop your phones calls then it must submit a request to change the law to parliament.

Re: An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger

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post #5

I know this will be unpopular here, but personally, I would like to see the Guardian prosecuted for its reckless reporting of stolen information in the same way that phone hacking was dealt with. You can't just steal documents from governments and publish them without any consequences. If your government is doing something bad, then it should be dealt with legally, and via the established checks and balances. Newspap…

You can't just steal documents from governments and publish them without any consequences.

Erm, why?

What's your reasoning here beyond "but the laaaaaaw"?

Do you even have any moral reasoning backing that?

Re: An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger

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post #5

I know this will be unpopular here, but personally, I would like to see the Guardian prosecuted for its reckless reporting of stolen information in the same way that phone hacking was dealt with. You can't just steal documents from governments and publish them without any consequences. If your government is doing something bad, then it should be dealt with legally, and via the established checks and balances. Newspap…

booyaa00: I think it's also funny that some people are under the delusion that sites like this and reddit, are actually controlled by the 'voters', and that everyone has the same power. They're not. They're controlled by editors who will place items where they want to. For me, the worst part of hacker news is the silent banning if you are critical of any YC funded startup. Censorship is ugly, but it happens routinely. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6807033

I appreciate the courage it takes to make an unpopular comment. That said, given your interpretation of HN (however accurate) you might express a little caution in calling for the censorship of a newspaper reporting extraordinary information.

Re: An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger

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post #5

I know this will be unpopular here, but personally, I would like to see the Guardian prosecuted for its reckless reporting of stolen information in the same way that phone hacking was dealt with. You can't just steal documents from governments and publish them without any consequences. If your government is doing something bad, then it should be dealt with legally, and via the established checks and balances. Newspap…

Why do you feel their reporting is "reckless"? Do you believe that the Guardian's reporting has reduced GCHQ's ability to protect UK citizens? If so, do you have any evidence to support this belief?

Re: An open letter from Carl Bernstein to Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger

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post #5

I know this will be unpopular here, but personally, I would like to see the Guardian prosecuted for its reckless reporting of stolen information in the same way that phone hacking was dealt with. You can't just steal documents from governments and publish them without any consequences. If your government is doing something bad, then it should be dealt with legally, and via the established checks and balances. Newspap…

> You can't just steal documents from governments and publish them without any consequences.

I'd draw the line: You can steal documents and publish them, if they reveal that the government has acted against the laws, or unconstitutionally.

Basically if you're breaking the law to reveal that someone else has broken the law in order of magnitude worse way, then it's ok.

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