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Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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Re: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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That's an interesting link. I always assumed that Rich Hickey came from academia, given that he made a successful programming language. Are there any biographical articles talking about his background?

He was a consultant. FYI: It's extremely rare for anyone from academia to make a commercially successful language. Their incentives are different. They want publishable novelty, and they don't care about building a useful suite of libraries and a vibrant community. Jones (Haskell), Syme (F#), and Odersky (Scala) are the only designers w/ academic backgrounds I can think of for marginally popular languages.

And note that among the major reasons that Haskell didn't get widely popular is that it is full of publishable novelty and lacked a useful suite of libraries* and vibrant community.

Until the past few years when Galois folks and bos did a lot of library work.

Re: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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Higgs isn't alone in remarking that he would not have had the time today to conduct the kind of work he did in the 1960s. Brian Greene has remarked that today’s grant-driven academia would not have allowed Einstein the luxury of a decade in which to develop his General Theory of Relativity. Eric Weinstein wrote that, "We have spent the last decades inhibiting such socially marginal individuals or chasing them to drop…

> So what is really needed is a startup culture that provides for years of uninterrupted development and focus. (Not to mention a hiring process that actively selects for displaced deviants, but that's another post.) Years? a lot of great research is done as the culmination of baby steps, and papers can be published at midpoints. Even Einstein, from his patent office published at least 5 papers in 7 years. That's a p…

I take that as an indication that I am correct. There are the examples of General Relativity and Grigory Perelman's solution of the Poincare Conjecture, not to mention recent advances on the twin prime conjecture.

Re: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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The word nerd doesn't mean nowadays what it meant 20 or 30 yrs ago. It's been appropriated by business sorts as a label so they can pass themselves off as creators of genuine stuff as part of their sales routine. Look at most of the nerds nowadays and ask if these people are really "persons of above average intelligence who don't care about their appearance"? Real nerds tend to use the aspie label nowadays.

The nerds on TBBT really are real nerds. All of them. They are different flavors of nerd. Sheldon is the aspie pervert creep. Raj and Howard are creepy manchildren. Leonard is the low self-esteem self-conscious self-hating type.

Pervert? You may be projecting your nerd hate a bit.

Howard is the only pervert.

Re: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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I loved the ending: "He has never been tempted to buy a television, but was persuaded to watch The Big Bang Theory last year, and said he wasn't impressed." The show is despite what some think, not a celebration of science, but a ridicule of science, and takes the stereotypes to new levels. Edit: I also watch the show, but as the article that GuiA links to mentions, the show wnats you to laugh at the nerds, and not t…

A quote from a friend of mine: "Arrested development is smart jokes at the expense of stupid people; the Big Bang Theory is stupid jokes at the expense of smart people."

AD is a string of junior high puns and callbacks/inside-jokes. Smart jokes on a teenager scale, I suppose.

Re: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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I loved the ending: "He has never been tempted to buy a television, but was persuaded to watch The Big Bang Theory last year, and said he wasn't impressed." The show is despite what some think, not a celebration of science, but a ridicule of science, and takes the stereotypes to new levels. Edit: I also watch the show, but as the article that GuiA links to mentions, the show wnats you to laugh at the nerds, and not t…

The main thing I don't like about BBT is that it's generally not funny. Look how the show holds without its laugh track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKS3MGriZcs

It's not fair to just remove the laugh track, you need to re edit to change the pacing to avoid the silence.

Re: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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post #111

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That's an interesting link. I always assumed that Rich Hickey came from academia, given that he made a successful programming language. Are there any biographical articles talking about his background?

He was a consultant. FYI: It's extremely rare for anyone from academia to make a commercially successful language. Their incentives are different. They want publishable novelty, and they don't care about building a useful suite of libraries and a vibrant community. Jones (Haskell), Syme (F#), and Odersky (Scala) are the only designers w/ academic backgrounds I can think of for marginally popular languages.

Also Ousterhout with Tcl/TK. Interestingly, he was an OS researcher not a language academic, and he made the language to solve problems he had, not to be academically interesting.

Re: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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In reading that link here are just a few things that seem to be wrong with it on first glance. (In the link attempting explain the flatness problem), one cannot just assume all galaxies are moving towards each other without first positioning a center (of those galaxies). That in itself invalidates the rest of the flatness argument, which is required for the article on your link. This was based on a precursory read, s…

There's no need for a center. Take the infinite universe as it is, and steadily decrease all the distances between the galaxies. There you have it: all galaxies moving towards each other with no cosmic center. It's definitely possible in principle.

You are positing infinite mass and energy?

Re: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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"didn't"… "any" implies none. And wouldn't one be better off being concerned with what is taking up their own time? Higgs probably won't have the same question for you or me…

Generally yes, but if someone, Higgs in this case, is saying there is something broken with academia's definition of productivity then it begs the question what should that definition be? What was Higgs doing that was more important or more productive than publishing papers? It is a totally fair question given the circumstances. Had Higgs never said anything then I wouldn't be interested in how he spent his time in t…

Actually, it raises the question, it does not "beg the question".

https://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/begs.html

Re: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting link. I always assumed that Rich Hickey came from academia, given that he made a successful programming language. Are there any biographical articles talking about his background?

He was a consultant. FYI: It's extremely rare for anyone from academia to make a commercially successful language. Their incentives are different. They want publishable novelty, and they don't care about building a useful suite of libraries and a vibrant community. Jones (Haskell), Syme (F#), and Odersky (Scala) are the only designers w/ academic backgrounds I can think of for marginally popular languages.

Academia might have been the wrong word. Do you know of any other language designer (except Larry Wall) who doesn't have a PhD?

Btw, what's the source of that consultant bit?

Re: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system

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I'm a little disappointed that the article didn't address the obvious question. If he didn't publish any papers after that, what did he actually do? The entire article actually seems to undermine his point.

Sure, but haven't you just made his?
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