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Why Bitcoin is Volatile aka I Told You So

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Re: Why Bitcoin is Volatile aka I Told You So

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It's far too early for I-told-you-sos.

Every bitcoin badmouther is using the price crash to tell everyone how right they were. Not really unexpected.

Speculative price swings are largely irrelevant, and bitcoin has value as a service regardless of the current price.

Re: Why Bitcoin is Volatile aka I Told You So

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Damn, can we get a break in this infinite loop of blog posts where the author confidently sets us straight about the inevitable fate of bitcoin? Bitcoin market activity is a Rorschach test for your own personal biases, be you an economist or a cryptographer, you're just going to rationalize the current state of the market with your own future expectations.

The rumor of a butteryfly fart can send shockwaves through the bitcoin markets, everybody knows this, we're not getting any new information by exclaiming how volatile the market is every time the price shifts as if it's somehow surprising.

Re: Why Bitcoin is Volatile aka I Told You So

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious--how/who will solve this problem?

This is exactly what Ripple is attempting to solve, acting as a open, global payment network where transactions are nearly free and you can use any currency (including bitcoin) you want. More at https://ripple.com/about-ripple/ .

Ripple is a petty scam. Please don't advertise that horse dung to HN, we are smarter than that. Ripple generated 10 billion coins, they call them XRP. Of course this amount and even XRP aren't mentioned on that page you linked, an obvious bait. Ripple started giving away millions to generate buzz and use, they've yet to even give away 10% though, and the idea is to create enough value that they can eventually dump all their "genesis" currency and reap the rewards. They recently started giving away a few thousand a day with their ComputingForGood campaign, a pittance to create buzz for their scamware. Mastercoin's done the same thing with no real benefits over Bitcoin itself. Seriously getting tired of these fiat fiascos. I guess creating derivative cryptocurrencies is the new version of the classic pyramid scheme. Some people call Bitcoin a pyramid scheme because of the speculative bubble, fair enough. But these currencies, Ripple and Mastercoin, are true pyramid schemes. Founders plan to get mega-rich based on the illicit adoption of their scamware.

Re: Why Bitcoin is Volatile aka I Told You So

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I correctly called the peak at 1200 (although I did not think it would peak there twice), and I'm calling the bottom at 300. This article has a very poor opening:

Bitcoin is based on the idea that money gets its intrinsic value from its scarcity, which is a misconception since money gets its intrinsic value from the volume of transactions involving goods and services that use it

No, bitcoin is based on the idea that money gets its intrinsic value from its trust model. That's why it has advanced crypto-mathematics to establish verifability, and so forth. Now. Bitcoin promoters think that the scarcity can drive the value up to the point where it becomes widely adopted. Criticism of this model to spur adoption may be totally fair.

Re: Why Bitcoin is Volatile aka I Told You So

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If you and your whole family live in the U.S. and you have a couple credit cards, a debit card, and a bank account, Bitcoin is going to seem pretty useless. For you, the US dollar does just fine.

But the rest of the world isn't like the U.S. I visited Latvia recently, and my bank refused to let me withdraw money. Florida is full of Cuban Americans who want to send money to Cuba. Many people are imprisoned. The world is full of borders that make moving money difficult.

Bitcoin's market cap is moving towards where it needs to be to float all of those transactions. Even if no one uses it to store value, and no one uses it to buy groceries, it is still immensely valuable just as a means to move value from one location to another. Even if no one holds Bitcoin for more than two weeks, it will still have a market cap far north of a billion dollars.

Re: Why Bitcoin is Volatile aka I Told You So

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not a single entity in the world will stand between you and that delicious brew. Except the exchange rate. Your 1/300th of a coin might buy you coffee if it is a good day, but the next day it might cost 1/100th of a coin. I just bought in because I'm hoping that what I can buy with 1/100th of a coin will only cost 1/300th by Christmas. Bitcoin is having a bad day and I hope to capitalize on it. Having bought at $650…

No, my arguments do not fall down. You are making the terribly flawed assumption that bitcoin will always be this volatile. Bitcoin is less volatile than it used to be, and with greater adoption will continue to decrease in volatility. The volatility in bitcoin today is nothing compared to 2011. Is it still bad ? Yes. Will it continue being bad ? Probably not. The long term trend supports the assumption that volatili…

> Euros have also swung around by 15-20% over the past 2-3 years.

In relation to the dollar. Which is totally irrelevant for day to day transactions inside the Euro zone. I still pay the same price for a coffee I did 2-3 years ago.

But at the moment Bitcoin volatility is still huge: It's currently not reasonable to offer coffee for a fixed number of Bitcoins, that, say, stay stable over a year.

Your analogy between debit cards and Bitcoins seems a bit flawed too: For the purposes of international transfers it might be apt, but for small day to day business like buying coffee, it may be better to compare it to cash. And then there's no bank stopping you from transacting in cash.

Re: Why Bitcoin is Volatile aka I Told You So

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If you and your whole family live in the U.S. and you have a couple credit cards, a debit card, and a bank account, Bitcoin is going to seem pretty useless. For you, the US dollar does just fine. But the rest of the world isn't like the U.S. I visited Latvia recently, and my bank refused to let me withdraw money. Florida is full of Cuban Americans who want to send money to Cuba. Many people are imprisoned. The world…

I'm cautious about your Latvia story - its sounds to me like the bike was worried about fraud. Thats pretty common - about half the times I go to the US, I have to ring up the bank and get the card unblocked.

That being said, there are countries attempting to control the flow of money. Argentina wants to enforce its price for the dollar. Cyprus wants to prevent everyone taking their money and running. and so on. However, most of these countries see attempts to circumvent their controls as illegal. I feel its unwise to get my hopes up about bitcoin for this sort of transaction for that reason.

Re: Why Bitcoin is Volatile aka I Told You So

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post #5

Here's something I've never seen addressed by bitcoin apologists. Tell me why I should "adopt" BTC if I'm not: (a) speculating (b) interesting in buying drugs or circumventing regulations around international money transfers. I see no utility in paying for software or coffee in BTC. Getting hold of bitcoin is not a straightforward process, and even once you acquire them, your coins are fluctuating in value all the ti…

Your (b) sounds suspiciously similar to "if you've got nothing to hide, then why do you want privacy?" Having control over your money is valuable on its own merits for a lot of people.
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