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Re: Overrun With Messaging Apps

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What really disappoints me about the current crop of VC funded messaging apps is that none of them care very strongly about user privacy. Even apps that claim to keep your messages "encrypted" are closed source and don't include details about their encryption techniques. There are open source encrypted messaging apps like ChatSecure [1][2], and TextSecure [3] but they lack some of the modern vanity features that user…

It's amazing the most crucial applications in our day to day lives are absolutely awful. Why is there not a great messenger application available, that's simple, well designed, and secures our data? Why is there not a proper alternative to Skype, offering free group video calling, while protecting our privacy? Why does e-mail feel so dated and sloppy? I sent out a handful of e-mails last week, my mail server said the…

It exists: BBM.

Re: Overrun With Messaging Apps

#32

What really disappoints me about the current crop of VC funded messaging apps is that none of them care very strongly about user privacy. Even apps that claim to keep your messages "encrypted" are closed source and don't include details about their encryption techniques. There are open source encrypted messaging apps like ChatSecure [1][2], and TextSecure [3] but they lack some of the modern vanity features that user…

It's amazing the most crucial applications in our day to day lives are absolutely awful. Why is there not a great messenger application available, that's simple, well designed, and secures our data? Why is there not a proper alternative to Skype, offering free group video calling, while protecting our privacy? Why does e-mail feel so dated and sloppy? I sent out a handful of e-mails last week, my mail server said the…

> I know you can setup a whitelist only, but why isn't this more of a standard, where I build a contact list with friends, and we can leave messages back and forth, receive proper confirmation they're received, read, etc. It would be nice if I could login to my e-mail, and see I have 20 friends, 10 sites that are able to message me, and then manage that list by adding or removing.

This actually is pretty much how Facebook messaging works.

Re: Overrun With Messaging Apps

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Everythign old is new again. Remember the days of MSN vs ICQ vs AIM etc etc etc?

Yes... Why can't people just download Trillian and stop giving Snapchat and Whatsapp billions of dollars. le sigh

Well, Trillian can't do what Snapchat does, and no user is giving it any money, so this seems pretty irrelevant.

Re: Overrun With Messaging Apps

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XMPP is standard. Grab a client for the platform of your choice [0], open an account on ddg.gg (duckduckgo's xmpp server), and you're done. I personnally use pidgin on the desktop and chatsecure on Android. The only thing XMPP is lacking is marketing. Multi-billion-dollars-level marketing; shouldn't be too hard to do, right ? [0] http://xmpp.org/xmpp-software/clients/

XMPP is not technically well-suited to mobile devices. It was designed with a base-level assumption that any client will maintain a constant TCP connection in order to receive messages. This doesn't fit well with mobile devices, which spend most of their time 'off' and try to have as little software running concurrently as possible in order to save battery life. Some mobile XMPP clients have come up with various clev…

So, BOSH [0], aka XMPP-over-HTTP ? Originally intended to allow XMPP in the browser, it turned out [1] to be solving a lot of other problems, including the frequent disconnections of a smartphone.

[0] http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0206.html [1] https://metajack.wordpress.com/2008/07/02/xmpp-is-better-wit...

Re: Overrun With Messaging Apps

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Oh where or where is the IETF. This is the kind of thing that needs a standard for the message content in a way that is extensible. Maybe plain HTML/CSS is sufficient for most stuff. Does anything from the Jabber world work for this?

I hate the million inboxes I have. It would be nice if you could at least use one application to manage all the inboxes of all the devices.

Seems like Google Wave was a good first attempt at an open-source standard that could have worked here.

Re: Overrun With Messaging Apps

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Everythign old is new again. Remember the days of MSN vs ICQ vs AIM etc etc etc?

RIP MSN. When I was a teenager I used to spend all day in a group chat with some friends. I think the feature I miss the most is the custom emoticons. I've since moved onto Skype's group chat, but nothing I've comes close to MSN. Maybe I'm just being nostalgic.

Has everyone forgotten about IRC? A cross platform IRC app would be sweet.

Re: Overrun With Messaging Apps

#37
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes... Why can't people just download Trillian and stop giving Snapchat and Whatsapp billions of dollars. le sigh

SnapChat makes sense because it's got the whole deletion-driven ephemral images model. That doesn't really require its own protocol, though. Now I'm fantasizing about some kind of extensible system that allows that kind of special messaging. Making a cross-platform system for that would be hard . HTML5+JS message bodies (omg security!)? Plugin architecture? Idunno.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Messaging_and_Presen...

Re: Overrun With Messaging Apps

#38
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Google is making a play too, with Hangouts now handling SMS. Although the people I've talked to who try that hate it, because it often sends a chat message when they wanted to text the person. Texts are just seen as much more personal and immediate where are chat texts aren't much different from email.

Maybe they should put a big SMS label on it so you know, or put "SMS 000-000-0000" at the top to signify it's an SMS chat rather than the Hangout. (This is how it is today, btw)

This was thinly veiled sarcasm. The app makes it incredibly clear that you're using SMS, with multiple visual cues.

Re: Overrun With Messaging Apps

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post #37
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SnapChat makes sense because it's got the whole deletion-driven ephemral images model. That doesn't really require its own protocol, though. Now I'm fantasizing about some kind of extensible system that allows that kind of special messaging. Making a cross-platform system for that would be hard . HTML5+JS message bodies (omg security!)? Plugin architecture? Idunno.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Messaging_and_Presen...

TIL what XMPP stands for. Neat! I thought Google said they dropped it because they had trouble extending it to do the things they wanted with Hangouts... when the whole point of the protocol was extensibility? That's unfortunate.
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