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Re: How Much Of Life Are You Actually Living?

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I'm not sure I agree.

Consider a metaphor.

Transfer your weight onto one foot while leaning forward, in order that your center of gravity is temporarily over-extended, while simultaneously putting your free foot out to 'catch' yourself from falling. Now rinse and repeat. Thus: walking.

If you want to walk faster, lean further forward. It's like watching a Segway, but with articulation.

All willful locomotion -- whether bipedal or otherwise -- depends on initiating a controlled disequilibrium which ultimately results in a prefered new equlibrium.

So it is with looking forward to things in life. Planning for the future. Saving for a rainy day. Working hard today for a better tomorrow.

The ability to conceptualize the _consequences_ of a temporarily destabilizing disequilibrium is what makes man master of the world.

So 'living in the future', far from being a modern malaise, is precisely what enables progress, advancement and civilisation. That doesn't mean that the disequilibrium is always comfortable while it's happening. Indeed, our atavistic selves usually counsel rest in the absence of an urgent limbic call to action -- when we're not starving or physically threatened, say.

But meanwhile, the higher brain recognises that the competion for scarce resources in a hostile world is relentless. And that means running to keep up -- however uncomfortable that might sometimes feel.

Indeed, deferred gratification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_gratification) is analysed as an indicator for intelligence and emotional maturity.

And as for the dishes, whatever he may claim, Thich Nhat Hanh's superordinate goal when he washes the dishes is to have clean dishes. If he can enter a state of flow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)) while doing so -- whether because he has phenomenal mental self-control, or an unusually quiet life -- then so be it. But most people can't, and would find their "cognitive surplus" (the brain parts left unused while dishes are being done) better invested in preparatory mental activity, or contructively anticipating the future.

And if he got the dishes done quickly rather than dawdling and daydreaming, he'd be back at the table to enjoy more time with his dinner guests, in whose gratitude he will find favour, and through whose company he will obtain the familiar state of flow which most humans achieve through routine social interaction.

Re: How Much Of Life Are You Actually Living?

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Planning for the future is an aspect of the present moment. Kind of like children. They are our future but they exist now, in the present moment.

Can one actually "imagine the future" in the mindful way the article suggests? Or is that a contradiction in terms? One resolution: One can imagine an abstract model of a concrete physical object (e.g. a lever; a geometry; a count of objects) and then ignore the concrete reality, and become so fully immersed in the abstraction that one loses track of time. I suggest that this is a form of mindfulness. Thinking about…

Mindfulness isn't really flow, as it basically means paying attention to what's going on in the current moment - a more general awareness of what's going on with your thinking, body, and surroundings.

To concentrate on an abstract object is basically the opposite of mindfulness, as you're ignoring your current experience.

Re: How Much Of Life Are You Actually Living?

#33
"doing the dishes to do the dishes" sounds all well and good, but it's predicated on the idea that all activities are equally worth doing, because they're all living. Which is ridiculous. Consider "sitting there while the monk does the dishes to sit there while the monk does the dishes", or "be horribly tortured to be horribly tortured".

Not all activities are of equal value, and it's natural to want to maximize the high payoffs (time with family, solving good problems, sex, etc) and minimize the low (dishes).

Re: How Much Of Life Are You Actually Living?

#34

I notice a huge difference in how much "stuff" happens in my life when I'm traveling vs. when I have a job. Home life is measured in weeks and months, and when you ask somebody what's new, they'll say "not much" and maybe tell you what they did last weekend. Or the weekend before that. Road life is measured in hours. I'll find myself telling somebody a story of this amazing thing that happened earlier on my trip, pos…

I upvoted the OP so more people could read this post. I read HN for the comments first and the OP second, and this is an example why.

Re: How Much Of Life Are You Actually Living?

#35

Not what I expected, but it was nice.

I mean, I guess this article is true to some degree. But, really, if by 'doing the dishes to do the dishes', doing the dishes takes me twice as long, I don't want to do it that way. I'd much prefer to rush through it in half the time, to spend the other part of the time 'really living,' doing something I truly do enjoy or want to do.

It doesn't necessarily take any longer to live in the moment. It's a matter of where your mind is focused. In fact, if you are focused on what you are doing, you will likely be more efficient and make fewer mistakes. If the task ends up taking longer, it would only be because you did a better job. That is, you might be able to rush through washing the dishes with your mind on the future, but your dishes would still be dirty.

Re: How Much Of Life Are You Actually Living?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can one actually "imagine the future" in the mindful way the article suggests? Or is that a contradiction in terms? One resolution: One can imagine an abstract model of a concrete physical object (e.g. a lever; a geometry; a count of objects) and then ignore the concrete reality, and become so fully immersed in the abstraction that one loses track of time. I suggest that this is a form of mindfulness. Thinking about…

Mindfulness isn't really flow, as it basically means paying attention to what's going on in the current moment - a more general awareness of what's going on with your thinking, body, and surroundings. To concentrate on an abstract object is basically the opposite of mindfulness, as you're ignoring your current experience.

Your view is precisely what I was countering. My point was that they can considered to be the same thing, by the abstract object becoming your "current experience". That it's not just playing with words, but that humans use the same circuitry to experience both (similar to how we experience tools as extensions to our bodies; and that dreams can be perceived as real).

However, I'm just restating my comment. I'm happy to agree to disagree with you. :-)

Re: How Much Of Life Are You Actually Living?

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I couldn't agree with this more, what is life really about at the end of the day? Exploring the world, adventures and meeting people from all cultures and corners of the earth would be my best answer. Unfortunately we're somewhat trapped in by the slave driver that is money, when you eventually return from travels to settle down, you need to adhere to normal society. Hopefully the startup will fix that, otherwise I'l…

Remember this: Ramen Profitable == Beach Profitable If your service can bring in $500/month, you can pretty much coast indefinitely in a place like Thailand, assuming you completely shut down your life back home. $1000 profit/month will get you to the point where you can travel from place to place. Double that again and you'll actually build your savings while dirtbagging around the world.

You are under estimating the value of high speed internet and time-zone. Travel "vertically" across the map and travel to places with something better than 5mbps and you should be fine.
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