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Real Men Go to Sleep

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Re: Real Men Go to Sleep

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Or it can just say healthy, productive people go to sleep. I find the "real men" headline bait almost as annoying as the pop-up.

I think it's A) a callback to the "Real Men Don't Eat Quiche" book/concept. And B) trying to overcome the macho, ego mentality that they feel is driving professionals to sleep less.

Re: Real Men Go to Sleep

#72

Or it can just say healthy, productive people go to sleep. I find the "real men" headline bait almost as annoying as the pop-up.

I was honestly expecting it to point out that lack of sleep kills your testosterone levels (it didn't). As it turns out, "real" men really do get sleep.

Re: Real Men Go to Sleep

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It was my understanding that while Google has nap rooms in some offices, they are seldom used. The culture is geared around long hours and if you are seen to be napping that is seen as a potential sign of weakness. Of course I could be completely wrong (I'm just pulling this idea out of a vague memory of reading about it here on HN) so I hope a Google employee will correct me. However, it seems reasonable that a comp…

I visited the Montreal office recently and I must say that they don't seem overworked at all. Some were excited about their work, some were relaxed. If they are pulling long hours is probably isn't because of some weird ego war - it would be because they seem genuinely interested in their work.

Re: Real Men Go to Sleep

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post #39

It was my understanding that while Google has nap rooms in some offices, they are seldom used. The culture is geared around long hours and if you are seen to be napping that is seen as a potential sign of weakness. Of course I could be completely wrong (I'm just pulling this idea out of a vague memory of reading about it here on HN) so I hope a Google employee will correct me. However, it seems reasonable that a comp…

I interned at Google's Mountain View HQ in 2009 - I don't remember there being an actual nap room, they just had a few nap pods (like this http://www.hammacher.com/Product/12199 ) scattered around the office.

:) Doesn't look comfortable.

Re: Real Men Go to Sleep

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While studying for the bar, I used to take 2 hour 'naps' in the middle of the day. My schedule was 4 hours on, some food and nap, 4 hours on. Probably most productive 3 months of my life. I got to say, those siesta embracing countries might be on to something.

I usually feel groggy after naps and it would be hard for me to go back to studying or working.

There are thing you can do to make naps more effective. I do well with a 20 minute nap in mid-day, but I'll feel groggy if I nap for too long. It's better if I don't lie down, but instead sit in a comfy chair, so I don't go too deeply asleep. If you drink coffee, have a cup before the nap, and the caffeine should kick in about the time you want to wake up. Other suggestions can be found on line.

Re: Real Men Go to Sleep

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sick of seeing comments about how someone didn't even read the freakin' article because they didn't like "X" on the page.

Seriously. If you're so [self-]important that you can't be bothered to close a modal window, you clearly don't have time to be reading articles from HN.

What about "if you're so [self-]important that you can't be bothered to disregard comments that don't conform to your idea of how the discussion should go". (I don't believe that BTW, surely there's space for discussion and meta-discussion).

Re: Real Men Go to Sleep

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Some small portion of the population naturally needs less sleep: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=genetic-mut.... For everyone else, you're not going to beat those people by trying to emulate their sleeping habits.

There is definitely a "sleep is for losers" kind of machismo that pervades professional industries, but it's stupid. While sometimes you have to cut in on sleep to get something out the door, making a habit of not getting much sleep isn't likely to be a competitive advantage for you in the long run. Ironically, its the sorts of professions that glorify not sleeping that tend to require the quick thinking, creativity, and careful attention to detail that is undermined by not sleeping. It's worth while to cut into other things to make time for adequate sleep.

Re: Real Men Go to Sleep

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post #39

It was my understanding that while Google has nap rooms in some offices, they are seldom used. The culture is geared around long hours and if you are seen to be napping that is seen as a potential sign of weakness. Of course I could be completely wrong (I'm just pulling this idea out of a vague memory of reading about it here on HN) so I hope a Google employee will correct me. However, it seems reasonable that a comp…

I got the feeling that it depended on your social status within the team. If you were seen to be a producer and got shit done, then sure whatever, take a nap -- just keep it up. And pretty much everyone I met was someone who got shit done, but a lot of people who get shit done won't let themselves take a nap at work. Even if it's good for them. Some people still took naps, and I get the sense that the others felt nap…

Perhaps the naps empowered their get-shit-done mindset, which in turn allowed to be seen as a "producer"

Re: Real Men Go to Sleep

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I'm not a Google employee, but I once visited their Zürich office and was shown the nap room. Not only was it really cool, but there were several people using it (just after lunch).

There's definitely a significant difference in attitudes towards sleep and work between Europe and the US. Perhaps someone who has experience working in both can comment.

I worked in both, and while I see more people taking naps here in London, they definitely take naps in MTV too!

Re: Real Men Go to Sleep

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post #71

Or it can just say healthy, productive people go to sleep. I find the "real men" headline bait almost as annoying as the pop-up.

I think it's A) a callback to the "Real Men Don't Eat Quiche" book/concept. And B) trying to overcome the macho, ego mentality that they feel is driving professionals to sleep less.

It is. Some people believe that we should lead the concept into healthier territories, which would be a superior outcome to the status quo. Others believe we should avoid using it altogether, and that any use of the term automatically perpetuates the macho, ego mentality- whether intentionally or not.

There's not much winning to be had, I've never seen anybody really change their minds about this, because we feel good about the side we pick. Best IMHO to just acknowledge the deeper issue, address it and keep moving forward.

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