What? I just see a black screen with INVEST IN YOURSELF. I cannot understand the confusion of ideas that leads people to prevent visitors from reaching their content. I'm not going to click that ad, I'm not going to view your page so I'm not going to see the other ads on that page either.
Real Men Go to Sleep
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#12While studying for the bar, I used to take 2 hour 'naps' in the middle of the day. My schedule was 4 hours on, some food and nap, 4 hours on. Probably most productive 3 months of my life. I got to say, those siesta embracing countries might be on to something.
It's thought to be a more natural sleep pattern, and us westerners have beaten it out of ourselves:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16964783
"His book At Day's Close: Night in Times Past, published four years later, unearths more than 500 references to a segmented sleeping pattern - in diaries, court records, medical books and literature, from Homer's Odyssey to an anthropological account of modern tribes in Nigeria. "
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#13At Day's Close by Roger Ekirch is a great book about our historical relationship to the night (sleep and not sleeping). http://www.amazon.com/At-Days-Close-Night-Times/dp/039332901...
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#14ironic that this is upvoted while the US is asleep
Heh, real people wake up early to take advantage of the uber-productive time between 5-7am.
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#15This article argues that the 'American idea' of regarding sleep as weak/unecessary stems from the early industrial days with men like Thomas Edison. Hmmm ... it seems that the American industrial age and beyond has had a lot more productivity than at any other time in history. And you know who else didn't consider sleep of very high importance? Isaac Newton. Oh, but some guy writing a random article with nearly zero…
Anecdata. You forgot Margaret Thatcher (4 hour nights). The article also pointed to a counterexample - Albert Einstein (10 hour nights). Anecdotes are not sufficient to prove either point, you should look at the research on this. And research shows[1] that animals that are sleep deprived perform significantly worse in cognitive tasks. Now, when humans start being "sleep deprived" will vary among individuals - but at…
Obviously, (as I am sure you are aware after careful consideration of my argument) my conclusions were towards the need for a better understanding of the subject itself and not towards "proving" a particular subjective viewpoint on the matter.
I thought it fair though to offer up symmetrical counterpoints to the OP to show that this is all drawing global conclusions on a particular set of examples (or small sample sizes if you will).
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#16Closed the page before reading the article for the fact that they popped up a modal advertisement window with a black background - ironic is that Adblock removed the ad content so it was a white box on a black background.
Forget Adblock, just use NoScript. The article was perfectly viewable for me.
Not trying to start a holy war, NoScript isn't a universal cure. There is plenty of content linked to from HN that requires JS. (However, I don't bother reading most of it!)
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#17Closed the page before reading the article for the fact that they popped up a modal advertisement window with a black background - ironic is that Adblock removed the ad content so it was a white box on a black background.
Forget Adblock, just use NoScript. The article was perfectly viewable for me. Not trying to start a holy war, NoScript isn't a universal cure. There is plenty of content linked to from HN that requires JS. (However, I don't bother reading most of it!)
I think the consequences of using NoScript outweigh the benefits. I don't think I could stand 40% of the sites I use being unusable due to lack of JavaScript, that's not how it's meant to be.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anecdata. You forgot Margaret Thatcher (4 hour nights). The article also pointed to a counterexample - Albert Einstein (10 hour nights). Anecdotes are not sufficient to prove either point, you should look at the research on this. And research shows[1] that animals that are sleep deprived perform significantly worse in cognitive tasks. Now, when humans start being "sleep deprived" will vary among individuals - but at…
Obviously, (as I am sure you are aware after careful consideration of my argument) my conclusions were towards the need for a better understanding of the subject itself and not towards "proving" a particular subjective viewpoint on the matter. I thought it fair though to offer up symmetrical counterpoints to the OP to show that this is all drawing global conclusions on a particular set of examples (or small sample si…
from the article:
> An abundance of scientific findings, many from research sponsored by the military and NASA, has led many executives to abandon the quest to minimize sleep unreasonably.
They aren't arguing entirely from anecdotes, they are using them to illustrate the point mostly. They are writing for a broad audience of non-scientists, which they've used as an excuse to exclude references from passages like the above, perhaps justifiably.
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#19ironic that this is upvoted while the US is asleep
Heh, real people wake up early to take advantage of the uber-productive time between 5-7am.
I hate that I know there is a 5am. Unfortunately this week I'm in a training class and have to get there earlier than I usually have to get to work. I can't wait to sleep this weekend.
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#20This article argues that the 'American idea' of regarding sleep as weak/unecessary stems from the early industrial days with men like Thomas Edison. Hmmm ... it seems that the American industrial age and beyond has had a lot more productivity than at any other time in history. And you know who else didn't consider sleep of very high importance? Isaac Newton. Oh, but some guy writing a random article with nearly zero…
The OP cites scientifically-established correlations between low productivity and sleep deprivation. You, on the other hand, point to a couple of heavyweight counter-examples (Edison and Newton), plus one historical period (early industrial) and leave it at that. Macho attitudes like yours are the exact reason why common-sense attitudes to sleeping hours have not taken hold in companies. There doesn't seem to be much…
This is an oversimplification of an already simpleminded discussion (in pursuit of being able to "justify" conclusions you have built on presumptions beforehand).
I am not sure where this irrelevant accusation of "macho attitudes" came from but it certainly fell in line with using terminology similar to what the article use with words like "effeminate" and "male champions".
And yet this article contradicts your argument by naming several (large) companies incorporating sleep-is-good attitudes.
SO I highly doubt that my singular paragraph offering contradictory arguments for the sake of discussion and clarity is the reason why "common-sense attitudes ... have not taken hold in companies".
Regardless of studies that have shown individualized scenarios of productivity loss due to sleep deprivation (also dependent on numerous external and internal parameters) there are still counter examples that cannot be scientifically ignored.
Your (appeared) devotion to 'scientific-establishment' is just you using particular studies to justify held beliefs (and/or just to be in agreement with localized observations e.g. your personal dependency on sleep or those you work with).